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I have 3 kids under 3.5. It only takes seconds to have stuff happen. The three year old throws his sunglasses on the ground and starts fussing for something an

I have 3 kids under 3.5. It only takes seconds to have stuff happen. The three year old throws his sunglasses on the ground and starts fussing for something and you turn to deal with that and then boom your 2 year old is 15 feet away and running the other direction or making national news headlines. If you don't have multiple kids you literally have no clue what it's like, especially if you happen to be outnumbered at the time. Now, I'm not saying she wasn't negligent because I wasn't there- but I also know that you can be on point 99.99999% of the time and still wind up with a serious problem or worse. And, frankly, why is the gorilla's life worth more than the mom's? Why is his life worth more than the child's? Was Harambe going to cure cancer, lower the world's greenhouse gas emissions, or become an astrophysicist that could help us colonize other planets? Was Harambe going to lead the charge on saving all the other gorillas in the world? It sucks that he had to get killed because of an accident, but what kind of person actually thinks that in a decision between a fucking kid and a gorilla that the gorilla should win? That kid literally represents the continuation of humanity.

Asooka 10y ago
Most people value (some) animal life above human life. Could be because nature is sold as an innocent paradise free from sin, or that every animal is the noblest creature on Earth or just because we all have experience with assholes, while our only experiences with animals are them being majestic on the National Geographic Channel. Try giving people the trolley problem with 5 golden retrievers and one adult human male. Edit: or as one internet meme put it: A child has fallen in the gorilla enclosure. You hold a gun with one bullet and you can choose to shoot the gorilla to save the child. If you do so, he will make national headlines and lead to discussions that question our morality. If you don't, the child might will be rescued and the gorilla will live out his days in peace in the gorilla enclosure, completely unknown to the world. He will not be as famous. In the end, what do we value more: Harambe or the idea of Harambe?
- bostik 10y ago
  > Most people value (some) animal life above human life. /me puts on flameproof gear Since this started with a gorilla... From a purely numbers-based point of view, it actually makes sense. Death of a single member of near-extinct species has a negative impact on the viability of that species. A death of a single human (or even few of them) will not make a difference. Not on a planet where human overpopulation is an increasingly pressing problem. Even if you disagree with the idea of conservation, at least have some sympathy for the future Epicureans. By driving species into extinction, we are depriving those future society members of experiences they might otherwise have. [insert end-of-sarcasm tag here]
  - manyxcxi 10y ago
    I get that you're making a sarcastic comic but the funny thing is that I don't even hear people making as eloquent a point as your joke is pretending to make. Most of them are just "because animals and horrible mom".
bambax 10y ago
Because the gorilla had no choice, he was a prisoner put there for the amusement of tourists.
- manyxcxi 10y ago
  The child probably didn't have a choice to go the zoo that day. He also probably didn't WANT to fall into the gorilla cage. I'm positive he didn't want the gorilla to be killed either. If there was a way you could guarantee that the gorilla and child make it out of that cage unscathed I'm absolutely all for doing that. After that, if you're saying there's a chance the child gets hurt, I don't care who's kid it is, I'm okay with pulling the trigger. I'm not being metaphorical, I'm saying I am so okay with the idea that I would be okay if I personally had to pull the trigger. I love animals, even ones most people don't like. I love the continuation of our species' future more than I love animals though. The thing that is crazy to me is that people push the idea that animals are pure and free of evil and we are the bad ones in every situation. Can't you push that same image into our children as well? Shouldn't an innocent child be at least equal in the eyes of the public as an innocent animal? And if they start out equally, doesn't the child win because without children we literally cease to exist?

Asooka 10y ago

Most people value (some) animal life above human life. Could be because nature is sold as an innocent paradise free from sin, or that every animal is the noblest creature on Earth or just because we all have experience with assholes, while our only experiences with animals are them being majestic on the National Geographic Channel. Try giving people the trolley problem with 5 golden retrievers and one adult human male. Edit: or as one internet meme put it: A child has fallen in the gorilla enclosure. You hold a gun with one bullet and you can choose to shoot the gorilla to save the child. If you do so, he will make national headlines and lead to discussions that question our morality. If you don't, the child might will be rescued and the gorilla will live out his days in peace in the gorilla enclosure, completely unknown to the world. He will not be as famous. In the end, what do we value more: Harambe or the idea of Harambe?

bostik 10y ago
> Most people value (some) animal life above human life. /me puts on flameproof gear Since this started with a gorilla... From a purely numbers-based point of view, it actually makes sense. Death of a single member of near-extinct species has a negative impact on the viability of that species. A death of a single human (or even few of them) will not make a difference. Not on a planet where human overpopulation is an increasingly pressing problem. Even if you disagree with the idea of conservation, at least have some sympathy for the future Epicureans. By driving species into extinction, we are depriving those future society members of experiences they might otherwise have. [insert end-of-sarcasm tag here]
- manyxcxi 10y ago
  I get that you're making a sarcastic comic but the funny thing is that I don't even hear people making as eloquent a point as your joke is pretending to make. Most of them are just "because animals and horrible mom".

bambax 10y ago

Because the gorilla had no choice, he was a prisoner put there for the amusement of tourists.

manyxcxi 10y ago
The child probably didn't have a choice to go the zoo that day. He also probably didn't WANT to fall into the gorilla cage. I'm positive he didn't want the gorilla to be killed either. If there was a way you could guarantee that the gorilla and child make it out of that cage unscathed I'm absolutely all for doing that. After that, if you're saying there's a chance the child gets hurt, I don't care who's kid it is, I'm okay with pulling the trigger. I'm not being metaphorical, I'm saying I am so okay with the idea that I would be okay if I personally had to pull the trigger. I love animals, even ones most people don't like. I love the continuation of our species' future more than I love animals though. The thing that is crazy to me is that people push the idea that animals are pure and free of evil and we are the bad ones in every situation. Can't you push that same image into our children as well? Shouldn't an innocent child be at least equal in the eyes of the public as an innocent animal? And if they start out equally, doesn't the child win because without children we literally cease to exist?