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Here's a good overview. The reference section at the end has a pretty clear delineation of these rules, as well as links to further reading. http://s3.amazonaw

Here's a good overview. The reference section at the end has a pretty clear delineation of these rules, as well as links to further reading. http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/41737546/The_Grammar_of_Urban_African_American_Vernacular_English.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ56TQJRTWSMTNPEA&Expires=1474774127&Signature=UPP6KchH%2BO1ShoMCrbawjXUesJM%3D&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3DThe_Grammar_of_Urban_African_American_Ve.pdf http://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/41737546/The_...

morgante 10y ago
That link says access denied.
- alphonsegaston 10y ago
  Guess it went down. This one lacks the outlined breakdown at the end, but try the pdf link here: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.516.25 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.516.... EDIT: If you want a really deep dive, you can also check out "African American English: A Linguistic Introduction" from Cambridge University press: www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/languages-linguistics/sociolinguistics/african-american-english-linguistic-introduction?format=PB&isbn=9780521891387
  - morgante 10y ago
    Thanks for the link. I found the regional breakdowns interesting. That being said, I think this research emphasizes that AAVE is anything but standardized. That's not meant as a pejorative statement: it's just acknowledging that, like most languages in history, AAVE has not gone through a process of codification and standardization to formalize it.
    - alphonsegaston 10y ago
      Sure, but formal rules are not equivalent to a prescriptive grammar. AAVE has formal, consistent rules, described by linguists. You can make mistakes in AAVE just as in standard English (see: "African American Vernacular English Is Not Standard English with Mistakes" https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistakes.pdf https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistake... ) like most languages in history, AAVE has not gone through a process of codification and standardization to formalize it I'm not sure what you're getting at - prescriptive grammars of the codified form you're describing are the products of their political and economic circumstances. There isn't some Hegelian trajectory of linguistic validity, where all variants aspire towards legalism.
      - morgante 10y ago
        If not the process of standardization, what differentiates formal and informal rules?
        alphonsegaston 10y ago
        Formality, if present, can be equally derived from observation and description of usage, using the linguistic analysis of the kind found in the articles I linked above. Language, when viewed in total, has shared elements and patterns that supersede the narrow focus of prescriptive impositions. It's why linguists can observe things such as that the dropped copula exists in both AAVE and Russian.

morgante 10y ago

That link says access denied.

alphonsegaston 10y ago
Guess it went down. This one lacks the outlined breakdown at the end, but try the pdf link here: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.516.25 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.516.... EDIT: If you want a really deep dive, you can also check out "African American English: A Linguistic Introduction" from Cambridge University press: www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/languages-linguistics/sociolinguistics/african-american-english-linguistic-introduction?format=PB&isbn=9780521891387
- morgante 10y ago
  Thanks for the link. I found the regional breakdowns interesting. That being said, I think this research emphasizes that AAVE is anything but standardized. That's not meant as a pejorative statement: it's just acknowledging that, like most languages in history, AAVE has not gone through a process of codification and standardization to formalize it.
  - alphonsegaston 10y ago
    Sure, but formal rules are not equivalent to a prescriptive grammar. AAVE has formal, consistent rules, described by linguists. You can make mistakes in AAVE just as in standard English (see: "African American Vernacular English Is Not Standard English with Mistakes" https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistakes.pdf https://web.stanford.edu/~zwicky/aave-is-not-se-with-mistake... ) like most languages in history, AAVE has not gone through a process of codification and standardization to formalize it I'm not sure what you're getting at - prescriptive grammars of the codified form you're describing are the products of their political and economic circumstances. There isn't some Hegelian trajectory of linguistic validity, where all variants aspire towards legalism.
    - morgante 10y ago
      If not the process of standardization, what differentiates formal and informal rules?
      - alphonsegaston 10y ago
        Formality, if present, can be equally derived from observation and description of usage, using the linguistic analysis of the kind found in the articles I linked above. Language, when viewed in total, has shared elements and patterns that supersede the narrow focus of prescriptive impositions. It's why linguists can observe things such as that the dropped copula exists in both AAVE and Russian.