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As with virtually all things, people need to be burned before they learn a lesson, and I mean... most people need to be burned. I think that things like the Yah

by M_Grey 10y ago

As with virtually all things, people need to be burned before they learn a lesson, and I mean... most people need to be burned. I think that things like the Yahoo hack that theoretically effect half a billion people, but which most people will not even notice just reinforces apathy. Then there's the nightmare that people go from, "Well this isn't my problem..." to "...Well in any case, I'm powerless to change it." in half a second. Educating people doesn't help if they're unwilling to actually take steps to protect themselves. As for legislation, people don't try to force their government to pass a budget, or hold them accountable for something like the Iraq war... it's madness to think they'd spend a scrap of effort for something as nebulous as privacy. Which is why we're all deeply screwed.

walterbell 10y ago
That may change when "privacy" has real-world side effects, e.g. insurance incentives for behavior change, with rates based on behavioral data. Fiction (not great, but points for effort), https://abovetheveil.com/2015/04/19/the-ever-watchful-insurer/ https://abovetheveil.com/2015/04/19/the-ever-watchful-insure...: "Matt carves a small chunk out of his custard-covered apple crumble pie and places it into his mouth. He chews it softly, savouring the taste and finally swallowing the remnants. A split second passes then his right hand vibrates. He is reaching his daily allowance in carbohydrates it seems. Briefly he contemplates to risk the awkwardness or play it cool and take the hit on this month’s insurance." Non-fiction from China, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186: "... it is clear that each citizen and Chinese organisation will be rated. A long list of people in certain professions will face particular scrutiny, including teachers, accountants, journalists and medical doctors. The special list even includes veterinarians and tour guides. A national database will merge a wide variety of information on every citizen, assessing whether taxes and traffic tickets have been paid, whether academic degrees have been rightly earned and even, it seems, whether females have been instructed to take birth control."
- M_Grey 10y ago
  It may, but only if it's obvious enough that people connect that "burn" with their own behavior.
- anexprogrammer 10y ago
  The piece they link to on insurance gives a fairly good overview of the pros and cons. If you're 17 with fresh driving licence it's hard to argue with upto 40% off your £1,000+ insurance premium. That many won't be identified as good drivers doesn't matter - they'll all assume they're great, and it must be a mistake when the renewal comes through! This was telling... "The popularity of these new-style policies is largely being driven by the youth market: 71% were taken out by motorists under the age of 25, compared with only 3% for over-50s, says Gocompare" So softening up the new generation to be accepting of telemetry and tracking in many ways. By the time they're making real decisions it's "just normal". It's going to be an interesting (in the apocryphal Chinese curse sense) future.

by M_Grey 10y ago

walterbell 10y ago

That may change when "privacy" has real-world side effects, e.g. insurance incentives for behavior change, with rates based on behavioral data. Fiction (not great, but points for effort), https://abovetheveil.com/2015/04/19/the-ever-watchful-insurer/ https://abovetheveil.com/2015/04/19/the-ever-watchful-insure...: "Matt carves a small chunk out of his custard-covered apple crumble pie and places it into his mouth. He chews it softly, savouring the taste and finally swallowing the remnants. A split second passes then his right hand vibrates. He is reaching his daily allowance in carbohydrates it seems. Briefly he contemplates to risk the awkwardness or play it cool and take the hit on this month’s insurance." Non-fiction from China, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34592186: "... it is clear that each citizen and Chinese organisation will be rated. A long list of people in certain professions will face particular scrutiny, including teachers, accountants, journalists and medical doctors. The special list even includes veterinarians and tour guides. A national database will merge a wide variety of information on every citizen, assessing whether taxes and traffic tickets have been paid, whether academic degrees have been rightly earned and even, it seems, whether females have been instructed to take birth control."

M_Grey 10y ago
It may, but only if it's obvious enough that people connect that "burn" with their own behavior.
anexprogrammer 10y ago
The piece they link to on insurance gives a fairly good overview of the pros and cons. If you're 17 with fresh driving licence it's hard to argue with upto 40% off your £1,000+ insurance premium. That many won't be identified as good drivers doesn't matter - they'll all assume they're great, and it must be a mistake when the renewal comes through! This was telling... "The popularity of these new-style policies is largely being driven by the youth market: 71% were taken out by motorists under the age of 25, compared with only 3% for over-50s, says Gocompare" So softening up the new generation to be accepting of telemetry and tracking in many ways. By the time they're making real decisions it's "just normal". It's going to be an interesting (in the apocryphal Chinese curse sense) future.