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I think it will be helpful if you could point out why you have a problem with that statement and why that statement alone negates the whole article. This is no

by pavs 17y ago

I think it will be helpful if you could point out why you have a problem with that statement and why that statement alone negates the whole article. This is not the first time that everyone is screaming about the doom and gloom of US economy and its standing in the world, it happens once in almost every decade. While I don't agree with the author's choice of hyperbolic words but I don't see any reason why USA can't get back to its way of dominating the world economy. I am not an economist so I could be wrong. But I also know that economic predictions by some of the best economists in the world has been as good your local whether channel guy. So when they all cry about how US is going down in flames, it makes be a little happy knowing that how often they are wrong about everything.

cryptnoob 17y ago
That statement alone doesn't negate the article. That statement alone IS the whole article. The rest of the article has no substance. Read it again if you don't believe me. As for me picking apart those data points, it wouldn't be interesting. Even if you agree that all is golden here in Eden, you hopefully are aware of the argument of those who say it's not. For me to state it again is boring. If you really don't know, get googling!
startuprules 17y ago
1.) The Dow Jones industrial average, hovering near 11,000, is up 70 percent in the past year - Low volume trading (most people have already bailed out of stock market), mainly between JPM and GS computers (look at how much C and BA comprises of the trading volume). 2.) Auto sales in the first quarter were up 16 percent from 2009. - Off 50% lows in 2008. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S410LoDr97I/AAAAAAAAHpw/gu38MKWD0Rk/s1600-h/AutoFeb20102.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S410LoDr97I/AAAAAAAAHp.... That's on top of massive deals from Toyota and the rest. 3.) The economy added 162,000 jobs in March, including 17,000 in manufacturing. - 200,000 of those jobs were from Census. 4.) The dollar has gained strength - Because it is the reserve currency, it will be the last to fall. All currency races to the bottom Mainstream medias are for propagandas. Look elsewhere for real informations (calculatedriskblog.com, zerohedge.com, mish's, etc)
- pavs 17y ago
  Ok, thanks for the pointers. I don't actually watch TV or follow any mainstream media (unless you consider NYT as one). On number 3 I think you got your numbers wrong. On March economy did include 162k jobs, 200k from temp census jobs. Wouldn't the total be higher than 162k jobs added?
  - thewileyone 17y ago
    Maybe because there was a loss of 238k jobs in other sectors ...
- ippisl 17y ago
  the news report that 48000 new census jobs were added in march. where do you get the 200,000 number?
- raintrees 17y ago
  I have heard repeatedly from multiple sources that the Census is only responsible for less than half that 200,000 so far, as they have not finished hiring. Therefore the other jobs are referred to as "permanent"... http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=24813 http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=24813
hga 17y ago
Errr...: The DJIA might be in a bubble ... look at the history of it after the 1929 crash, it doesn't just go straight down. Things were perceived to be very bad in 1Q09 ... a small increase in auto sales a year later means little. A snapshot of one month's job gains isn't worth much. From vague memory, please correct, we've got something like an overhand of 6-8 million workers reflected in U-6 who are trying to get back to U-3 (the unemployment rate that everyone reports, that's currently at 9.7%). The economy has to add something like 1.8 million jobs every year just to keep even with the new entrants in the job force. If my memory of that figure is correct, if we maintained the March rate we'd continue to just stay afloat, without decreasing any of the unemployment figures. ADDED: I forgot about the once in a decade Census jobs boom. The dollar can do well as a safe haven if things are not so good elsewhere. Greece/the Eurozone, the tottering U.K., Iran (and all the oil it ships) ... bad news abroad is good news for us. Although ... just how big is the world's appetite for US government debt? Anyway, it's very thin gruel to be saying we're in a serious recovery, at best I'd say it looks like an L.
- MaysonL 17y ago
  Here's a graph showing how bad the current recession is wrt jobs loss compared to previous: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S7kz7N40TqI/AAAAAAAAH9w/m_FuQLbGqiM/s1600/JobLossesAlignedBottom.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S7kz7N40TqI/AAAAAAAAH9... Doesn't look all that promising for a speedy recovery.
Hoff 17y ago
Whether or not you believe Mr Ritholtz or the WSJ is your call, but here's one review of some data and a look forward: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/worst-post-wwii-recession/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/worst-post-wwii-recessi... http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/retail-jobs-suggest-strong-recovery/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/retail-jobs-suggest-str...

by pavs 17y ago

cryptnoob 17y ago

That statement alone doesn't negate the article. That statement alone IS the whole article. The rest of the article has no substance. Read it again if you don't believe me. As for me picking apart those data points, it wouldn't be interesting. Even if you agree that all is golden here in Eden, you hopefully are aware of the argument of those who say it's not. For me to state it again is boring. If you really don't know, get googling!

startuprules 17y ago

1.) The Dow Jones industrial average, hovering near 11,000, is up 70 percent in the past year - Low volume trading (most people have already bailed out of stock market), mainly between JPM and GS computers (look at how much C and BA comprises of the trading volume). 2.) Auto sales in the first quarter were up 16 percent from 2009. - Off 50% lows in 2008. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S410LoDr97I/AAAAAAAAHpw/gu38MKWD0Rk/s1600-h/AutoFeb20102.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S410LoDr97I/AAAAAAAAHp.... That's on top of massive deals from Toyota and the rest. 3.) The economy added 162,000 jobs in March, including 17,000 in manufacturing. - 200,000 of those jobs were from Census. 4.) The dollar has gained strength - Because it is the reserve currency, it will be the last to fall. All currency races to the bottom Mainstream medias are for propagandas. Look elsewhere for real informations (calculatedriskblog.com, zerohedge.com, mish's, etc)

pavs 17y ago
Ok, thanks for the pointers. I don't actually watch TV or follow any mainstream media (unless you consider NYT as one). On number 3 I think you got your numbers wrong. On March economy did include 162k jobs, 200k from temp census jobs. Wouldn't the total be higher than 162k jobs added?
- thewileyone 17y ago
  Maybe because there was a loss of 238k jobs in other sectors ...
ippisl 17y ago
the news report that 48000 new census jobs were added in march. where do you get the 200,000 number?
raintrees 17y ago
I have heard repeatedly from multiple sources that the Census is only responsible for less than half that 200,000 so far, as they have not finished hiring. Therefore the other jobs are referred to as "permanent"... http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=24813 http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=24813

hga 17y ago

Errr...: The DJIA might be in a bubble ... look at the history of it after the 1929 crash, it doesn't just go straight down. Things were perceived to be very bad in 1Q09 ... a small increase in auto sales a year later means little. A snapshot of one month's job gains isn't worth much. From vague memory, please correct, we've got something like an overhand of 6-8 million workers reflected in U-6 who are trying to get back to U-3 (the unemployment rate that everyone reports, that's currently at 9.7%). The economy has to add something like 1.8 million jobs every year just to keep even with the new entrants in the job force. If my memory of that figure is correct, if we maintained the March rate we'd continue to just stay afloat, without decreasing any of the unemployment figures. ADDED: I forgot about the once in a decade Census jobs boom. The dollar can do well as a safe haven if things are not so good elsewhere. Greece/the Eurozone, the tottering U.K., Iran (and all the oil it ships) ... bad news abroad is good news for us. Although ... just how big is the world's appetite for US government debt? Anyway, it's very thin gruel to be saying we're in a serious recovery, at best I'd say it looks like an L.

MaysonL 17y ago
Here's a graph showing how bad the current recession is wrt jobs loss compared to previous: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S7kz7N40TqI/AAAAAAAAH9w/m_FuQLbGqiM/s1600/JobLossesAlignedBottom.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/S7kz7N40TqI/AAAAAAAAH9... Doesn't look all that promising for a speedy recovery.

Hoff 17y ago

Whether or not you believe Mr Ritholtz or the WSJ is your call, but here's one review of some data and a look forward: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/worst-post-wwii-recession/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/worst-post-wwii-recessi... http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/retail-jobs-suggest-strong-recovery/ http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/retail-jobs-suggest-str...