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The two cases are great examples of democracy. People want to elect a president that other people (like you) greatly disagree with. People want to vote for an a
by danarmak 10y ago
The two cases are great examples of democracy. People want to elect a president that other people (like you) greatly disagree with. People want to vote for an amendment to their state constitution. (It was later ruled unconstitutional by the US Supreme Court, but before that it had been ruled constitutional by the state supreme court in Strauss v. Horton, so there seemed to be legitimate room for debate.)
California Proposition 8 passed the public vote with 52% in favor, and Trump consistently polls above 40% today. Do you support boycotting every company where at least one executive officer belongs to a 40%+ part of the population? Do you really expect that, if applied fairly, this wouldn't result in boycotting almost all companies in the market? Would you support policies routinely vetting the private behavior of company executives? Are you alright with the other camp boycotting companies whose executives hold opinions you support?
I believe that people should be able to employ, be employed, and not be ostracized, regardless of their private strictly legal and in fact mainstream political opinions, however odious those opinions may be to a subset of the population. Quite apart from morals, it's the only workable equilibrium in a politically polarized society.
- stephenr 10y agowhat is your solution? Force people to do business with people/companies against their will? I'm not sure about America but in the developed world, there are laws against shit like "I didn't hire him because he voted for Reagan" There are not laws forcing people/companies to do business regardless of their opinions on the behaviour/actions of a company/CEO/etc. Are you really saying allowing people to boycott things based on their own beliefs is bad?
- danarmak 10y agoOf course we can't force people (by law) to do business with someone, and shouldn't try. What we should do is establish strong social norms against this kind of discrimination and against this kind of net outrage mob hounding of people. Speak out against them, support victims (regardless of political affiliation), try not to give in when targeted.
- stephenr 10y agoTrumps supporters are victims because sane people don't want to support those who support a sociopath. Gotcha. Edit: also: I still don't understand why you believe there is a problem. If someone is actually fired because they support a particular party/etc that would be (in sane countries) illegal. If it's not illegal in your country, maybe you should fix that before insisting that anything anyone says should be automatically free of consequences. That is a very slippery fucking slope, especially with the sort of shit trump supporters say aleady. As for the specific issues: Brendan resigned from Mozilla because he couldn't "manage effectively", aka the staff in Mozilla didn't respect him because of his prior actions. It was the staff in Mozilla who publicised his donation - they knew what he'd done before the shit storm that happened online. If you can't unfuck yourself from a situation where people don't respect you, maybe you didn't have the chops to be CEO in the first place. And for the trump supporter, I don't fucking care. Trump is an orange hitler with less charm and a worse haircut than the original. To those who support him: fuck you very much, from the rest of the fucking world.