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"We can't do it because it's a different business model than Apple's" ;) ? From 9Gag to HN, Windows 10 is a recurring meme of disrespect for the -cattle- consu

by tajen 10y ago

"We can't do it because it's a different business model than Apple's" ;) ? From 9Gag to HN, Windows 10 is a recurring meme of disrespect for the -cattle- consumer, in a world of Snowden and Facebook where we don't even own our computers. I say there's a demand (with money available) for a trustworthy OS in the PC world, and for a open-source in the Apple world. Selling today's OSes might be impossible indeed. But a lot of people would switch to Linux even if it had fewer features, just because of Linux' values (which would be properly marketed around values of compatibility, open-source, reusability, privacy, cryptography, distributed services, ownership, offline work, etc). What about marketing the idea that Linux will bring pervasive effects in our democracy, like a global understanding that security systems can only be verified if they're open-source? What about the community value of VW and Tesla being required to open-source their security features, generating better security for them, for competitors and pull requests to upstream projects? We can make customers dream about a lot of values in addition to adhering to a great-UX Linux, and this value is not currently captured by neither Microsoft nor Apple. If only we had the money to kickstart a paid Linux...

gtirloni 10y ago
Nobody (as in the general population) cares about all of that, unless they have been personally bitten by it. Someone needs to take some Linux and focus solely on the desktop environment. Make it more beautiful than OSX and Win10 and that may drive attention. That's an awful lot of work (not only the apps but getting the ecosystem to cooperate). We've driven ourselves into the ground with our desire for free things. And we paid with our privacy, willingly or not. I think that reverting this trend will take a very long time now.
- tajen 10y ago
  First let's not say "beautiful", it's associated too much with transparent glass panes and shiny transitions. Let's focus on "functional": Fewer technical details, more do-one-thing-well and designed experiences. Second, people have paid enough with their privacy ("Ok Google, were you listening to me?") that they've started to understand that it's worth paying $50/yr for an OS. Anyway I'm not a Linux expert, so I can't even tingle with a business plan. Someone needs to do that for me.
- erklik 10y ago
  Isn't Ubuntu basically functional and beautiful? I mean i installed Ubuntu for my mother, father and my sister's laptop. ( All of who only use their laptop for either watch Netflix or word=processing etc ). They were quite happy with it. They have been using it for a year now.
bonoboTP 10y ago
Have you actually tried to talk about those supposed advantages to non-tech people? Try it. Even many tech people don't care about that stuff and get annoyed if you start bringing up this kind of democracy, privacy etc. stuff. People care about features and convenience. Getting stuff done and being entertained. Seriously, talk to "normal people" and see for yourself.
- watwatwatwat 10y ago
  Talk to HN folks and see for yourself...
- tajen 10y ago
  When I created my current startup, all product managers and bankers told me it wouldn't work. That was 3 years ago and I'm still living off it. (Can't disclose the details of the product because I've disclosed things that could be linked to my partners previously with the same account) So I'd bet people have been bitten enough by Android, Facebook, LinkedIn and Windows 10 that they're ripe to understand that their OS is worth 50$/yr.
  - bonoboTP 10y ago
    What do you mean by "bitten enough"? Concretely. That there were newspaper articles about problems with their data protection, or about some data leaks? People don't care about this. It's irrelevant unless it impacts their workflow right there and then. Not in the abstract, not about ideals like democracy and ethics. They want to get work done.
    - tajen 10y ago
      "Bitten enough", for Windows 10, is: - the forced upgrade to everyone who didn't agree with the upgrade, - the telemetry - the OEM "drivers" that display ads/change 404 pages/install a CA certificate/slow down an otherwise good the computer/install the OEM's wallpaper/break the trust between the customer and their computer. For Android it's having coarse-grained permissions, the fact that "Ok Google" means the mic is on all the time, having Dropbox suggest to upload every time you take a picture. iOS is quite good but it's a closed garden, non-USB plugs, the impossibility of mounting the iPhone and just put mp3s on it, and requiring iTunes for music sync, which tries to push you to use their iTunes Store. It's all related to phones, but the point is, people do realize that they're providers don't care about them.

by tajen 10y ago

gtirloni 10y ago

Nobody (as in the general population) cares about all of that, unless they have been personally bitten by it. Someone needs to take some Linux and focus solely on the desktop environment. Make it more beautiful than OSX and Win10 and that may drive attention. That's an awful lot of work (not only the apps but getting the ecosystem to cooperate). We've driven ourselves into the ground with our desire for free things. And we paid with our privacy, willingly or not. I think that reverting this trend will take a very long time now.

tajen 10y ago
First let's not say "beautiful", it's associated too much with transparent glass panes and shiny transitions. Let's focus on "functional": Fewer technical details, more do-one-thing-well and designed experiences. Second, people have paid enough with their privacy ("Ok Google, were you listening to me?") that they've started to understand that it's worth paying $50/yr for an OS. Anyway I'm not a Linux expert, so I can't even tingle with a business plan. Someone needs to do that for me.
erklik 10y ago
Isn't Ubuntu basically functional and beautiful? I mean i installed Ubuntu for my mother, father and my sister's laptop. ( All of who only use their laptop for either watch Netflix or word=processing etc ). They were quite happy with it. They have been using it for a year now.

bonoboTP 10y ago

Have you actually tried to talk about those supposed advantages to non-tech people? Try it. Even many tech people don't care about that stuff and get annoyed if you start bringing up this kind of democracy, privacy etc. stuff. People care about features and convenience. Getting stuff done and being entertained. Seriously, talk to "normal people" and see for yourself.

watwatwatwat 10y ago
Talk to HN folks and see for yourself...
tajen 10y ago
When I created my current startup, all product managers and bankers told me it wouldn't work. That was 3 years ago and I'm still living off it. (Can't disclose the details of the product because I've disclosed things that could be linked to my partners previously with the same account) So I'd bet people have been bitten enough by Android, Facebook, LinkedIn and Windows 10 that they're ripe to understand that their OS is worth 50$/yr.
- bonoboTP 10y ago
  What do you mean by "bitten enough"? Concretely. That there were newspaper articles about problems with their data protection, or about some data leaks? People don't care about this. It's irrelevant unless it impacts their workflow right there and then. Not in the abstract, not about ideals like democracy and ethics. They want to get work done.
  - tajen 10y ago
    "Bitten enough", for Windows 10, is: - the forced upgrade to everyone who didn't agree with the upgrade, - the telemetry - the OEM "drivers" that display ads/change 404 pages/install a CA certificate/slow down an otherwise good the computer/install the OEM's wallpaper/break the trust between the customer and their computer. For Android it's having coarse-grained permissions, the fact that "Ok Google" means the mic is on all the time, having Dropbox suggest to upload every time you take a picture. iOS is quite good but it's a closed garden, non-USB plugs, the impossibility of mounting the iPhone and just put mp3s on it, and requiring iTunes for music sync, which tries to push you to use their iTunes Store. It's all related to phones, but the point is, people do realize that they're providers don't care about them.