OK ya, that's all fair. I overstated. I will amend my comment to say that if companies do offer options at a discount to the 409A everyone involved needs to be

OK ya, that's all fair. I overstated. I will amend my comment to say that if companies do offer options at a discount to the 409A everyone involved needs to be very very very careful about tax laws or bad things can happen to both the company and the option grantee.