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I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake fro

by ultra12 10y ago

I'm sorry, but I disagree. If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them. This is not a bullying tactic, this is people exercising the same freedoms that Palmer is by having and supporting his views.

bhhaskin 10y ago
People quickly forget that Palmer is a private citizen. He is free to have what ever political views he wants. I could some what understand if it was Oculus, but it is not. Oculus has nothing to do with Palmers political views.
- deanCommie 10y ago
  CEOs/Founders of multi-billion dollar companies are more than private citizens. They are visionaries and metaphors for their vision. People associate the entire company with the idea of the person. Not always, but certainly in many cases. For the longest time, and especially before the Facebook acquisition in the minds of most people, Oculus == Palmer, and part of the incredible appeal of Oculus was that it wasn't the product of a multinational conglomerate but felt like it came out of some dude's backyard. When people support a kickstarter/home-grown project they are supporting more than the idea - they are supporting the person behind the idea as well. So you better believe that the political views of such people have an impact on the perception and success of their companies.
carsongross 10y ago
> If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. Not in America in 2016, it ain't, bub. If you want a picture of the future, imagine the interstate commerce clause stomping on a human face, forever.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  All the cases I've seen on that issue have been state-law cases, so the interstate commerce clause is completely irrelevant.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    Oh, well, since it isn't the federal government doing it that means it's completely okay.
dogma1138 10y ago
Do you think it is OK to fire , refuse to hire, demote, or sanction in any other way or form some one based on the political opinions? If you do, you are not a liberal.
will_doz 10y ago
"someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them." Well, if you look at the few cases that have happened in the last year, the business owners were forced, by law, to bake a cake. http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple-1439506296 http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to... "It is also my right to not buy a cake from them." You're right, it is. But we aren't talking about many individual people deciding this. It's one person (or a few people) getting together an army of people to go against a cause they disagree with. It is now acceptable to bully someone you don't like to get them fired, call them the worst names in the world, ostracize them from society, and ruin their main source of income. Tolerance is no longer accepted. There needs to be complete subjugation at metaphorical gunpoint. Social media (and our current leadership) have only encouraged this behavior. Twitter will allow BLM protesters to gleefully talk about murdering police officers, but then ban a conservative pundit from trying to honestly talk about their opinion on the real problems in the black community. Our freedoms and rights are being slowly eroded away and small authoritarian groups are deciding how we should live our lives. Because our leaders won't admit this is becoming a problem (and some are even using the exact same tactics), the people like me that feel like my voice is never heard have to go to people like Trump. I don't really agree with everything Trump stands for..and I don't even know if he will be a good leader, but I just want to put a stop to this politically correct bullshit that is destroying our society. The sad part is many people don't want to admit they are voting for Trump, because their house/car will get vandalized. A guy on my street had a Trump sign stolen multiple times, his house spray painted, and his mailbox destroyed. All because of his political views. At this point, there is nothing that will change my vote because Hillary is a vote for the same bullshit I'm seeing now.

by ultra12 10y ago

bhhaskin 10y ago

People quickly forget that Palmer is a private citizen. He is free to have what ever political views he wants. I could some what understand if it was Oculus, but it is not. Oculus has nothing to do with Palmers political views.

deanCommie 10y ago
CEOs/Founders of multi-billion dollar companies are more than private citizens. They are visionaries and metaphors for their vision. People associate the entire company with the idea of the person. Not always, but certainly in many cases. For the longest time, and especially before the Facebook acquisition in the minds of most people, Oculus == Palmer, and part of the incredible appeal of Oculus was that it wasn't the product of a multinational conglomerate but felt like it came out of some dude's backyard. When people support a kickstarter/home-grown project they are supporting more than the idea - they are supporting the person behind the idea as well. So you better believe that the political views of such people have an impact on the perception and success of their companies.

carsongross 10y ago

> If someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. Not in America in 2016, it ain't, bub. If you want a picture of the future, imagine the interstate commerce clause stomping on a human face, forever.

dragonwriter 10y ago
All the cases I've seen on that issue have been state-law cases, so the interstate commerce clause is completely irrelevant.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  Oh, well, since it isn't the federal government doing it that means it's completely okay.

dogma1138 10y ago

Do you think it is OK to fire , refuse to hire, demote, or sanction in any other way or form some one based on the political opinions? If you do, you are not a liberal.

will_doz 10y ago

"someone refuses to bake a cake for gay people, I agree that is well within their rights. It is also my right to not buy a cake from them." Well, if you look at the few cases that have happened in the last year, the business owners were forced, by law, to bake a cake. http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to-make-wedding-cake-for-gay-couple-1439506296 http://www.wsj.com/articles/court-rules-baker-cant-refuse-to... "It is also my right to not buy a cake from them." You're right, it is. But we aren't talking about many individual people deciding this. It's one person (or a few people) getting together an army of people to go against a cause they disagree with. It is now acceptable to bully someone you don't like to get them fired, call them the worst names in the world, ostracize them from society, and ruin their main source of income. Tolerance is no longer accepted. There needs to be complete subjugation at metaphorical gunpoint. Social media (and our current leadership) have only encouraged this behavior. Twitter will allow BLM protesters to gleefully talk about murdering police officers, but then ban a conservative pundit from trying to honestly talk about their opinion on the real problems in the black community. Our freedoms and rights are being slowly eroded away and small authoritarian groups are deciding how we should live our lives. Because our leaders won't admit this is becoming a problem (and some are even using the exact same tactics), the people like me that feel like my voice is never heard have to go to people like Trump. I don't really agree with everything Trump stands for..and I don't even know if he will be a good leader, but I just want to put a stop to this politically correct bullshit that is destroying our society. The sad part is many people don't want to admit they are voting for Trump, because their house/car will get vandalized. A guy on my street had a Trump sign stolen multiple times, his house spray painted, and his mailbox destroyed. All because of his political views. At this point, there is nothing that will change my vote because Hillary is a vote for the same bullshit I'm seeing now.