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E.g. Hong Kong Is Banning Pro-Independence Candidates From Running in Elections http://time.com/4436253/hong-kong-election-briefing-protests-edward-leung-chin

E.g. Hong Kong Is Banning Pro-Independence Candidates From Running in Elections http://time.com/4436253/hong-kong-election-briefing-protests-edward-leung-china-independence/ http://time.com/4436253/hong-kong-election-briefing-protests... By the way Hong Kong under British rule was freer than mainland China has ever been under the CCP rule, even though they did not have democratically elected leaders.

vkou 10y ago
The British banned all pro-independence candidates, by not having elections. And by arresting, and occasionally killing protesters, but that's just how colonialism goes. [1] The British were quite happy to give the people of Hong Kong freedom, when it didn't cost them anything. China's current behavior is not dissimilar. Hong Kong exchanged a colonial overlord ruling from London, with one ruling from Beijing. Neither concerns themselves much with the welfare of the populace. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton%E2%80%93Hong_Kong_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton%E2%80%93Hong_Kong_strik...
- necessity 10y ago
  You talk about "the years until 84", then talk about "arrests and murder of protesters", citing a source talking about the IXX century... That's dishonest.
  - vkou 10y ago
    Maintaining foreign rule - by any empire - requires the use of informants, secret police, and suppression of political activity. The Birtish didn't station thousands of soldiers in Hong Kong so they could have an exotic vacation. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Overseas_Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Overseas_Hong_K...
    - spacehunt 10y ago
      I'm not sure what point are you trying to make. Apart from the 1967 riots, which were orchestrated by another country anyway, when did the British Forces turn against Hong Kong people?
      - NotSammyHagar 10y ago
        The British didn't kidnap hk book publishers who wrote articles about the british ruling class. The brits weren't perfect, but the chinese govt is very different - the chinese govt is actively against self-determination over the entire world, including their own country, and in hong kong, taiwan, tibet. china will never allow self-determination in any of those places.
- wyuenho 10y ago
  That was before WWII. Immediately after WWII, Mark Young advocated to introduce representative democracy to HK. The fear of an invasion by Communist China was the main reason it didn't go through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan_(Hong_Kong) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan_(Hong_Kong)

vkou 10y ago

The British banned all pro-independence candidates, by not having elections. And by arresting, and occasionally killing protesters, but that's just how colonialism goes. [1] The British were quite happy to give the people of Hong Kong freedom, when it didn't cost them anything. China's current behavior is not dissimilar. Hong Kong exchanged a colonial overlord ruling from London, with one ruling from Beijing. Neither concerns themselves much with the welfare of the populace. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton%E2%80%93Hong_Kong_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton%E2%80%93Hong_Kong_strik...

necessity 10y ago
You talk about "the years until 84", then talk about "arrests and murder of protesters", citing a source talking about the IXX century... That's dishonest.
- vkou 10y ago
  Maintaining foreign rule - by any empire - requires the use of informants, secret police, and suppression of political activity. The Birtish didn't station thousands of soldiers in Hong Kong so they could have an exotic vacation. [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Overseas_Hong_Kong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Forces_Overseas_Hong_K...
  - spacehunt 10y ago
    I'm not sure what point are you trying to make. Apart from the 1967 riots, which were orchestrated by another country anyway, when did the British Forces turn against Hong Kong people?
    - NotSammyHagar 10y ago
      The British didn't kidnap hk book publishers who wrote articles about the british ruling class. The brits weren't perfect, but the chinese govt is very different - the chinese govt is actively against self-determination over the entire world, including their own country, and in hong kong, taiwan, tibet. china will never allow self-determination in any of those places.
wyuenho 10y ago
That was before WWII. Immediately after WWII, Mark Young advocated to introduce representative democracy to HK. The fear of an invasion by Communist China was the main reason it didn't go through. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan_(Hong_Kong) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan_(Hong_Kong)