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Oddball idea: If all these news outlets, and other organizations, benefit from it, maybe they could finance it. The same way the Linux Foundation is sponsored b

Oddball idea: If all these news outlets, and other organizations, benefit from it, maybe they could finance it. The same way the Linux Foundation is sponsored by large tech companies.

abc_lisper 10y ago
No shit! They should charge companies and news agencies, and anyone representing companies per tweet(1k per tweet or similar). They provide a valuable service - why should they give it to corporations for free?
- mkagenius 10y ago
  fb doesn't do that. Twitter can follow what fb does. Right now twitter is very light weight, un-cluttered. It can change UI/UX to advertise more. Of-course there has to be value for advertisers as well - which I think is there (350M users).
  - abc_lisper 10y ago
    Yeah. Twitter is a broadcasting platform. It is different from FB. FB feed has your mom and their friends' posts. Twitter doesn't, unless you explicitly ask for it. Not everything should be about advertising. Twitter can stay as it has, and just charge people with money, money.
    - gaius 10y ago
      The feeds of both are whatever the algo thinks - which will be some compromise between what you want and what the owner of the algo wants.
      - tkxxx7 10y ago
        What is algorithm-driven in my twitter feed? The 'While you were away' stuff at the top? Other than that, as far as I know it's always been a chronological feed of whoever I want.
        gaius 10y ago
        Are you sure? http://fortune.com/2016/03/20/twitter-algorithm-social-marketing/ http://fortune.com/2016/03/20/twitter-algorithm-social-marke... If you don't even notice it, the algo has got you...
        tkxxx7 10y ago
        Oh, wow. Does this effect third-party clients as well? I use Echofon almost exclusively.
        gaius 10y ago
        I can't imagine not - would Twitter give people an easy way to avoid sponsored content etc? That's one reason they cut off all the devs.
        msravi 10y ago
        Wow, didn't know that either. But I don't "follow" people. Rather, I simply add them to different lists (finance, news, science, tech, right, left, etc.) and use tweetdeck to follow the multiple lists. I wonder if they're also messing with the lists... In any case, as far as I can tell, I seem to be getting all the tweets of people in the list in chronological order.
        tkxxx7 10y ago
        that's a good point too, I have a couple lists I look at for close friends and such and only go onto the timeline every now and then
  - Domenic_S 10y ago
    The tweet is the advertisement. Keep everything as it is today, but if you have 1mm+ reach per tweet, you pay $$$/tweet.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Twitter's basic problem is that they opened up to third party clients back while they were still growing, and those third party clients quickly outpaced them in new usage features. Twitter has been trying to reign that in since (various things their official client can do is not accessible via the public APIs), but they can't just drop their third party support or they would see the usage rates dwindle in no time flat.
mesh 10y ago
This is a model that Line has taken, and had some success with (particular in parts of Asia and Europe).
jonny_eh 10y ago
I can't imagine politicians funding Twitter.
- hyperbovine 10y ago
  It's true, the money only ever goes in.
- deleted 10y ago
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- eric_h 10y ago
  I most definitely saw a Trump ad in my twitter feed. I marked it as offensive ;)
mathattack 10y ago
Outside of Bloomberg, most news organizations are struggling. They couldn't foot the bill at ten billion.
nl 10y ago
Um.. This is exactly what advertising is. Twitter just has a terrible advertising platform. FB is making huge amounts on what should be basically the same product.
- orblivion 10y ago
  Not necessarily. They could pay for the platform to be around just so that people are there to banter and generate content for the news programs.
- home_boi 10y ago
  The two platforms are completely different. The users of FB (and LinkedIn) put their real information on the website, allowing advertisers to target effectively which raises the average ad value on the website. Intuitively, revenue = ad value * # impressions. Twitter is in between anonymous forums (unfortunately they all died) and FB/LinkedIn in terms of ability of advertisers to target users. They're living off of high impressions, and they've basically already saturated the market. Now they need to somehow raise ad value, which would mean integrating hundreds of free, quality services to gather data like Google or tying Twitter accounts to real identities (like the Google+ attempt)
  - nashadelic 10y ago
    Different yes but it's not that hard to look at the people you follow, the content you consume and generate what Twitter called the "taste graph". I'm not privy to what the issues are but I feel Twitter should/could've had a lot more success in terms of ads
  - nl 10y ago
    Yes, the anonymous accounts are a problem - but mostly because of the trolling, not the lack of identity. Snapchat and Instagram both have anonymous accounts and don't have a problem. Yet Twitter has people like Kim Kardashian selling tweets for $200K/tweet[1] (so there's your measurement of ad-value), and yet Twitter can't make money. Meanwhile, people are moving to Snapchat stories which is exactly the product Twitter should have built. Twitter, on the other-hand make the ground breaking decision to not include URLs in the 140 char tweet count. Twitter can't ship new product. [1] http://haveuheard.net/2015/08/kim-kardashian-how-much-money-celebs-tweets-instagram-posts/ http://haveuheard.net/2015/08/kim-kardashian-how-much-money-...

Oddball idea: If all these news outlets, and other organizations, benefit from it, maybe they could finance it. The same way the Linux Foundation is sponsored by large tech companies.

abc_lisper 10y ago

No shit! They should charge companies and news agencies, and anyone representing companies per tweet(1k per tweet or similar). They provide a valuable service - why should they give it to corporations for free?

mkagenius 10y ago
fb doesn't do that. Twitter can follow what fb does. Right now twitter is very light weight, un-cluttered. It can change UI/UX to advertise more. Of-course there has to be value for advertisers as well - which I think is there (350M users).
- abc_lisper 10y ago
  Yeah. Twitter is a broadcasting platform. It is different from FB. FB feed has your mom and their friends' posts. Twitter doesn't, unless you explicitly ask for it. Not everything should be about advertising. Twitter can stay as it has, and just charge people with money, money.
  - gaius 10y ago
    The feeds of both are whatever the algo thinks - which will be some compromise between what you want and what the owner of the algo wants.
    - tkxxx7 10y ago
      What is algorithm-driven in my twitter feed? The 'While you were away' stuff at the top? Other than that, as far as I know it's always been a chronological feed of whoever I want.
      - gaius 10y ago
        Are you sure? http://fortune.com/2016/03/20/twitter-algorithm-social-marketing/ http://fortune.com/2016/03/20/twitter-algorithm-social-marke... If you don't even notice it, the algo has got you...
        tkxxx7 10y ago
        Oh, wow. Does this effect third-party clients as well? I use Echofon almost exclusively.
        gaius 10y ago
        I can't imagine not - would Twitter give people an easy way to avoid sponsored content etc? That's one reason they cut off all the devs.
        msravi 10y ago
        Wow, didn't know that either. But I don't "follow" people. Rather, I simply add them to different lists (finance, news, science, tech, right, left, etc.) and use tweetdeck to follow the multiple lists. I wonder if they're also messing with the lists... In any case, as far as I can tell, I seem to be getting all the tweets of people in the list in chronological order.
        tkxxx7 10y ago
        that's a good point too, I have a couple lists I look at for close friends and such and only go onto the timeline every now and then
- Domenic_S 10y ago
  The tweet is the advertisement. Keep everything as it is today, but if you have 1mm+ reach per tweet, you pay $$$/tweet.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  Twitter's basic problem is that they opened up to third party clients back while they were still growing, and those third party clients quickly outpaced them in new usage features. Twitter has been trying to reign that in since (various things their official client can do is not accessible via the public APIs), but they can't just drop their third party support or they would see the usage rates dwindle in no time flat.

mesh 10y ago

This is a model that Line has taken, and had some success with (particular in parts of Asia and Europe).

jonny_eh 10y ago

I can't imagine politicians funding Twitter.

hyperbovine 10y ago
It's true, the money only ever goes in.
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eric_h 10y ago
I most definitely saw a Trump ad in my twitter feed. I marked it as offensive ;)

mathattack 10y ago

Outside of Bloomberg, most news organizations are struggling. They couldn't foot the bill at ten billion.

nl 10y ago

Um.. This is exactly what advertising is. Twitter just has a terrible advertising platform. FB is making huge amounts on what should be basically the same product.

orblivion 10y ago
Not necessarily. They could pay for the platform to be around just so that people are there to banter and generate content for the news programs.
home_boi 10y ago
The two platforms are completely different. The users of FB (and LinkedIn) put their real information on the website, allowing advertisers to target effectively which raises the average ad value on the website. Intuitively, revenue = ad value * # impressions. Twitter is in between anonymous forums (unfortunately they all died) and FB/LinkedIn in terms of ability of advertisers to target users. They're living off of high impressions, and they've basically already saturated the market. Now they need to somehow raise ad value, which would mean integrating hundreds of free, quality services to gather data like Google or tying Twitter accounts to real identities (like the Google+ attempt)
- nashadelic 10y ago
  Different yes but it's not that hard to look at the people you follow, the content you consume and generate what Twitter called the "taste graph". I'm not privy to what the issues are but I feel Twitter should/could've had a lot more success in terms of ads
- nl 10y ago
  Yes, the anonymous accounts are a problem - but mostly because of the trolling, not the lack of identity. Snapchat and Instagram both have anonymous accounts and don't have a problem. Yet Twitter has people like Kim Kardashian selling tweets for $200K/tweet[1] (so there's your measurement of ad-value), and yet Twitter can't make money. Meanwhile, people are moving to Snapchat stories which is exactly the product Twitter should have built. Twitter, on the other-hand make the ground breaking decision to not include URLs in the 140 char tweet count. Twitter can't ship new product. [1] http://haveuheard.net/2015/08/kim-kardashian-how-much-money-celebs-tweets-instagram-posts/ http://haveuheard.net/2015/08/kim-kardashian-how-much-money-...