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The productive part is preventing them from damaging public safety and the lives of others who choose not to do things that we have decided as a society to codi
by aisofteng 10y ago
The productive part is preventing them from damaging public safety and the lives of others who choose not to do things that we have decided as a society to codify as illegal. If someone is robbing people in a neighborhood, say, how could not removing them possibly be the better choice?
- CaptSpify 10y agoHow about removing the reasons they rob, or giving them the psychiatric help they need to prevent them from robbing someone? I'd much rather have someone become a productive member of society then let them rot away in jail.
- Fjolsvith 10y agoDo you own a house or a car? Lets take them away from you so they won't rob you.
- wruza 10y agoPsychiatry doesn't work that way, man. You can't take a pill and become greatest neighbor on the block. Or solve everyone's problems and then live happily. Your otherwise cool idea has no real implementations (communism doesn't count).
- CaptSpify 10y agoUhh, yeah, I never said it was easy or simple. It's gonna take a lot of hard work to get people adjusted, and I don't believe we even can adjust everyone. But that approach is more realistic and successful than "don't commit crimes" > Your otherwise cool idea has no real implementations (communism doesn't count). Other than the fact that it has completely real and provable implementations: http://www.alltreatment.com/drug-rehab-infographic http://www.alltreatment.com/drug-rehab-infographic http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/18/prison-could-be-productive/punishment-fails-rehabilitation-works http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/12/18/prison-could...
- wruza 10y agoFirst link seems to be irrelevant since it only covers drug addiction that can be treated as mental disease, but other potential crimes can not. Second article shows reduction of violence in or after the jail, not reduction of violence per se. You cannot forcibly cure not-yet-guilty with that, and they aren't guilty until commit a crime. But it is great method on its own.
- CaptSpify 10y agoThose are just the first two links I found after 5 seconds of searching though. My points have been proven over and over and over by other studies.
- wruza 10y agoNo amount of studies can change the following: we still can't force non-guilty guys to psychiatrist (because they are free to just not go there), and guilty guys already are in jail. Where do you think this logic should be broken? To not send them there and to cure instead? Organized crimes will grow on this scheme like mushrooms after rain. To test and monitor everyone before they do something? That's what everyone is fighting with (Snowden et al). Again, their idea is great, but it will never be elected in social context.
- CaptSpify 10y agoOh yeah, totally. Using known proven methods for reducing crime is going to be a total waste of everyone's time. We should totally just put them in a box instead and not try to fix the root of the problem. Lets keep using the same methods that have been proven not to work because some people might be able to abuse another process. /sarcasm
- wruza 10y agoOkay, how would you implement that, exactly?
- ChoHag 10y ago> productive part is preventing them from damaging public safety and the lives of others So y'all are doing the bare minimum over there? Well done you! Hope you catch up soon! Yours, The rest of the world