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minimum standards of knowledge required for the citizens Do you know how the electricity in your wall works? What about the plumbing under your house? Would

minimum standards of knowledge required for the citizens Do you know how the electricity in your wall works? What about the plumbing under your house? Would you be able to fix those things on your own?

DominikR 10y ago
His argument was that you can reasonably expect people to know how to handle such technologies safely, not that he expects people to know how to build a WiFi Router from electronic parts themselves. Using your analogy it would be sufficient for a person to know how to handle electricity coming from your wall or the plumbing under your house safely. And generally people do know how to do that. Everyone who is regularly using WiFi networks knows that he/she can see the names of other WiFi networks in their vicinity. Therefore people using WiFi generally do know that this information is publicly broadcasted and available to be collected by anyone interested in doing so. No one believes that he is the only person being able to somehow magically see the name of his neighbours WiFi.
- paavokoya 10y ago
  I think the advanced users of HN vastly over-estimate the common sense level of the general public. http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/ http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-ide...
  - DominikR 10y ago
    In third world countries people historically got to use Internet services much later, with more limited hardware and in also in a very different way. (not on a PC, instead on a feature phone with a very small screen) So it's not surprising that they have a different perception than we do. Frankly I don't care for the matter at hand about the perception and understanding of the Internet that people from a different culture might have just as I do not care about the Saudi perspective on women's and LGBT rights. We are discussing here what should be the standard in our societies.
  - grkvlt 10y ago
    I think the 'advanced' users of HN vastly over-estimate the amount of information that the general public requires in order to apply common sense. As a member of the public, I have no real need to know about the protocols the Internet uses, or how Facebook and the Web are related, but it is useful to make a distinction between using Facebook (social interaction, sharing information actively, communicating with friends) and using the Internet (browsing Wikipedia, looking up recipes on Google, accessing Web sites on my laptop or tablet by myself) when communicating with others.
jpindar 10y ago
You don't?
TeMPOraL 10y ago
Yes. Yes. No. The level of IMO required knowledge I'm talking about here is to know e.g. that water in your faucet is distributed through the building via water pipes, and electricity comes through cables that are inside walls. Even this basic knowledge allows one to infer quite a lot.
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DominikR 10y ago

His argument was that you can reasonably expect people to know how to handle such technologies safely, not that he expects people to know how to build a WiFi Router from electronic parts themselves. Using your analogy it would be sufficient for a person to know how to handle electricity coming from your wall or the plumbing under your house safely. And generally people do know how to do that. Everyone who is regularly using WiFi networks knows that he/she can see the names of other WiFi networks in their vicinity. Therefore people using WiFi generally do know that this information is publicly broadcasted and available to be collected by anyone interested in doing so. No one believes that he is the only person being able to somehow magically see the name of his neighbours WiFi.

paavokoya 10y ago
I think the advanced users of HN vastly over-estimate the common sense level of the general public. http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/ http://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-ide...
- DominikR 10y ago
  In third world countries people historically got to use Internet services much later, with more limited hardware and in also in a very different way. (not on a PC, instead on a feature phone with a very small screen) So it's not surprising that they have a different perception than we do. Frankly I don't care for the matter at hand about the perception and understanding of the Internet that people from a different culture might have just as I do not care about the Saudi perspective on women's and LGBT rights. We are discussing here what should be the standard in our societies.
- grkvlt 10y ago
  I think the 'advanced' users of HN vastly over-estimate the amount of information that the general public requires in order to apply common sense. As a member of the public, I have no real need to know about the protocols the Internet uses, or how Facebook and the Web are related, but it is useful to make a distinction between using Facebook (social interaction, sharing information actively, communicating with friends) and using the Internet (browsing Wikipedia, looking up recipes on Google, accessing Web sites on my laptop or tablet by myself) when communicating with others.

jpindar 10y ago

You don't?

TeMPOraL 10y ago

Yes. Yes. No. The level of IMO required knowledge I'm talking about here is to know e.g. that water in your faucet is distributed through the building via water pipes, and electricity comes through cables that are inside walls. Even this basic knowledge allows one to infer quite a lot.

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