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Valid points. IMO, pushing critical thinking is the best way to combat those issues. It wouldn't end silly ideological debates of course, but at least the discu

by splawn 10y ago

Valid points. IMO, pushing critical thinking is the best way to combat those issues. It wouldn't end silly ideological debates of course, but at least the discussions would perhaps be a little less "mindless". As far as my AGW debate anecdote, all I did was ask for his sources (he claimed the planet had not warmed since 98...a position I didn't know anyone actually took) and he never did come up with anything. (besides telling me to "do my own research" on youtube...if that counts as a source, lol) I know that the AGW debate has a ton of facets, but this guy was just some low hanging fruit I guess. :)

tracker1 10y ago
Things have fallen off a bit since the late 90's... not that I'm AGW, I would posit that man may not be a huge influence and that it's likely not as big of an emergency in general as overall pollution and even population control probably are. Alarmist, reactionary legislation rarely does what it is intended to do, and to be honest, I think it detracts from the issue overall. I happen to feel it's been globally warming since the last ice age, and that it seems to be a cyclical event, are we speeding up the next ice age, and what will seeing another 3-4 degree rise in temperatures in the next dozen or more decades change. And how much of that is actually of human/unnatural cause.
- splawn 10y ago
  The opposition you are expressing is already way more rational than the Billy Bob redneck youtube conspiracy expert I was debating on facebook. Which is to be expected, because HN. You of course are correct about the cyclical event stuff... however, there is a ton of evidence that the current rate of co2 output[1] and heating[2] is unprecedented in human existence[3]. All that I ask from anyone on either side of this debate is that you check your sources and make sure your info isn't coming from some partisan think tank. [1]http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ [2]https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/august-extends-an-exceptional-string-of-recordwarm-global-months https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/august-extends... [3]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page...

by splawn 10y ago

tracker1 10y ago

Things have fallen off a bit since the late 90's... not that I'm AGW, I would posit that man may not be a huge influence and that it's likely not as big of an emergency in general as overall pollution and even population control probably are. Alarmist, reactionary legislation rarely does what it is intended to do, and to be honest, I think it detracts from the issue overall. I happen to feel it's been globally warming since the last ice age, and that it seems to be a cyclical event, are we speeding up the next ice age, and what will seeing another 3-4 degree rise in temperatures in the next dozen or more decades change. And how much of that is actually of human/unnatural cause.

splawn 10y ago
The opposition you are expressing is already way more rational than the Billy Bob redneck youtube conspiracy expert I was debating on facebook. Which is to be expected, because HN. You of course are correct about the cyclical event stuff... however, there is a ton of evidence that the current rate of co2 output[1] and heating[2] is unprecedented in human existence[3]. All that I ask from anyone on either side of this debate is that you check your sources and make sure your info isn't coming from some partisan think tank. [1]http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ [2]https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/august-extends-an-exceptional-string-of-recordwarm-global-months https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/august-extends... [3]http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page3.php http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/GlobalWarming/page...