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While I agree with you, it is more complicated than that. Not everyone who commits a crime is a criminal in the sense we use to think about it. For instance, o

by lanna 10y ago

While I agree with you, it is more complicated than that. Not everyone who commits a crime is a criminal in the sense we use to think about it. For instance, once I had a car accident and hit a wall. Just a few meters from impact there were people standing, I could have killed them. Luckily, no one but me got hurt. I'm not a bad person, I never did anything wrong my entire life. But for a matter of meters I could have spent years in prison for manslaughter.

aisofteng 10y ago
Frankly I wonder how you hit a wall without having done anything reckless or dangerous yourself; if someone else hit you off the road, the yes they would likely be responsible for causing people to get killed. If you just did it on your own, then that would indeed be manslaugher. You'd have taken the lives of a family. How could you argue that that would in any way be okay?
- lanna 10y ago
  > Frankly I wonder how you hit a wall without having done anything reckless or dangerous yourself You are just being a jerk, making assumptions and being judgmental. You obviously never heard of "innocent until proved guilty". > You'd have taken the lives of a family. Who said "family"? > How could you argue that that would in any way be okay? When did I said that? That it would be okay? I never said anything like that. Frankly, your reading comprehension skills are below par. My point, in the context of the discussion, is that good, innocent, hard-working people sometimes also go to jail due to circumstances beyond their control. Accidents happen, and not always due to recklessness. Maybe you have super-human driving skills with sub nanosecond reaction times. Maybe you are flawless, faultless, perfect. Most people aren't that exemplary.
  - aisofteng 10y ago
    Sorry, but I just don't see how driving into a wall, which is quite stationary, with enough force to have killed someone had they been standing there, is an unavoidable mistake anyone could make.
  - wruza 10y ago
    "The road is a source of danger". It wasn't intent, but you lost concentration, lost control, etc., performed a thing called "dangerous driving". I know man who killed a child in similar accident. 3-5km/h, he just jumped on his bumper from nowhere and died. He could do that with a fence, but instead chose his car. That's why YOU have to be aware of everything going on around. If you don't know what's there behind an obstacle, you must assume it is full of children, families and sudden walls. We now have many devices that kill people when we neglect boring rules. >My point, in the context of the discussion, is that good, innocent, hard-working people sometimes also go to jail due to circumstances beyond their control. Ideally, jailtime should end when "innocent beyond my control" in their mind becomes "that was definitely my fault because I often drive tired and that will happen again if I continue". Otherwise it is like saying "It wasn't me, it was a bullet! I just pulled trigger."
- ChoHag 10y ago
  That you are apparently suggesting lanna is a criminal yet is walking free is yet more evidence that your position lacks the necessary nuance.
  - aisofteng 10y ago
    No, I'm saying that there's no such thing as innocently driving into a wall and killing people, which apparently almost happened. It would actually have been manslaughter.
    - ChoHag 10y ago
      I am well aware that that's exactly what you're saying. It's sad that you can come up with a valid premise but can't take the comparatively dull step of following it to its logical conclusion.

by lanna 10y ago

aisofteng 10y ago

Frankly I wonder how you hit a wall without having done anything reckless or dangerous yourself; if someone else hit you off the road, the yes they would likely be responsible for causing people to get killed. If you just did it on your own, then that would indeed be manslaugher. You'd have taken the lives of a family. How could you argue that that would in any way be okay?

lanna 10y ago
> Frankly I wonder how you hit a wall without having done anything reckless or dangerous yourself You are just being a jerk, making assumptions and being judgmental. You obviously never heard of "innocent until proved guilty". > You'd have taken the lives of a family. Who said "family"? > How could you argue that that would in any way be okay? When did I said that? That it would be okay? I never said anything like that. Frankly, your reading comprehension skills are below par. My point, in the context of the discussion, is that good, innocent, hard-working people sometimes also go to jail due to circumstances beyond their control. Accidents happen, and not always due to recklessness. Maybe you have super-human driving skills with sub nanosecond reaction times. Maybe you are flawless, faultless, perfect. Most people aren't that exemplary.
- aisofteng 10y ago
  Sorry, but I just don't see how driving into a wall, which is quite stationary, with enough force to have killed someone had they been standing there, is an unavoidable mistake anyone could make.
- wruza 10y ago
  "The road is a source of danger". It wasn't intent, but you lost concentration, lost control, etc., performed a thing called "dangerous driving". I know man who killed a child in similar accident. 3-5km/h, he just jumped on his bumper from nowhere and died. He could do that with a fence, but instead chose his car. That's why YOU have to be aware of everything going on around. If you don't know what's there behind an obstacle, you must assume it is full of children, families and sudden walls. We now have many devices that kill people when we neglect boring rules. >My point, in the context of the discussion, is that good, innocent, hard-working people sometimes also go to jail due to circumstances beyond their control. Ideally, jailtime should end when "innocent beyond my control" in their mind becomes "that was definitely my fault because I often drive tired and that will happen again if I continue". Otherwise it is like saying "It wasn't me, it was a bullet! I just pulled trigger."
ChoHag 10y ago
That you are apparently suggesting lanna is a criminal yet is walking free is yet more evidence that your position lacks the necessary nuance.
- aisofteng 10y ago
  No, I'm saying that there's no such thing as innocently driving into a wall and killing people, which apparently almost happened. It would actually have been manslaughter.
  - ChoHag 10y ago
    I am well aware that that's exactly what you're saying. It's sad that you can come up with a valid premise but can't take the comparatively dull step of following it to its logical conclusion.