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Hacking is not the same as robbing. Hacker doesn't take anything away from you, except some reputation.

coldcode 10y ago
Money, lost business, customer data are valuable things and hardly nothing.
raverbashing 10y ago
If they're taking password from users (and maybe even other data like Credit Card numbers - regardless of the security failures of the site), they are taking something from you Blaming the victim is easy.
jazzyb 10y ago
I don't understand the point your trying to make. In most recent high-profile hacking cases, hackers stole customer information (including credit card numbers) from the businesses. The financial fall-out for those customers could be much worse than a physical robbery.
- codedokode 10y ago
  Stealing money can be robbing, I agree. But (this is unrelated matter) why is it possible to steal someone's money just by copying several short numbers? We have all kinds of advanced cryptography today but some payment systems still rely on transistor era technologies. And even worse, companies can track customers using CC numbers. That is wrong too. The shop should not get your name or other unique identifier when you just buy something with a card.
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    They didn't steal money, they stole information which could be used to get money. What you're saying is equivalent to, "They stole the design for our car's master ignition key, but since they didn't steal an actual key or a car, no harm no foul." It's not the same as stealing a car, but it's also clearly about stealing cars.
raesene6 10y ago
I'd say that depends on the hack. The hacks just for prestige aren't really that prevalent any more. These days it's hack for stealing creds or money or secrets or perhaps just putting ransomeware on all the comapanies systems to get a bitcoin payment out of them...
- FollowSteph3 10y ago
  Even for prestige, is it ok for gang members to break and enter properties, even if they don't anything, for prestige? I suspect not so the same should apply.

Money, lost business, customer data are valuable things and hardly nothing.

If they're taking password from users (and maybe even other data like Credit Card numbers - regardless of the security failures of the site), they are taking something from you Blaming the victim is easy.

jazzyb 10y ago

I don't understand the point your trying to make. In most recent high-profile hacking cases, hackers stole customer information (including credit card numbers) from the businesses. The financial fall-out for those customers could be much worse than a physical robbery.

codedokode 10y ago
Stealing money can be robbing, I agree. But (this is unrelated matter) why is it possible to steal someone's money just by copying several short numbers? We have all kinds of advanced cryptography today but some payment systems still rely on transistor era technologies. And even worse, companies can track customers using CC numbers. That is wrong too. The shop should not get your name or other unique identifier when you just buy something with a card.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  They didn't steal money, they stole information which could be used to get money. What you're saying is equivalent to, "They stole the design for our car's master ignition key, but since they didn't steal an actual key or a car, no harm no foul." It's not the same as stealing a car, but it's also clearly about stealing cars.

raesene6 10y ago

I'd say that depends on the hack. The hacks just for prestige aren't really that prevalent any more. These days it's hack for stealing creds or money or secrets or perhaps just putting ransomeware on all the comapanies systems to get a bitcoin payment out of them...

FollowSteph3 10y ago
Even for prestige, is it ok for gang members to break and enter properties, even if they don't anything, for prestige? I suspect not so the same should apply.