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>It's not hard. If it's so easy why don't you do it? Let me guess, you've never designed, built, or shipped any physical product. You're like a first-year art

by zyx321 10y ago

>It's not hard. If it's so easy why don't you do it? Let me guess, you've never designed, built, or shipped any physical product. You're like a first-year art student 'designing' the next iPhone in a 3D rendering program (Half as thick, with twice the battery life! Indestructible edge-to-edge screen!)

alimbada 10y ago
It's not hard for existing car manufacturers...
0xFFC 10y ago
I see what you are saying and I partially agree with it. But the point is Audi,BMW,etc they are not first year art student. They have billion dollar R&D budget. Update: And keep in mind Tesla is not product of yesterday. Vibe for electronic car was around I think much longer than Tesla.But big names (Audi,BMW,etc) just ignored it for so long (maybe because of no serious competitor or corruptness -why do they need to work on something revolutionary when they are market leaders) until some guy stepped in and challeged them seriously.
- zyx321 10y ago
  And they evidently are working on it. But to say "release it now, don't make me wait 5 years" is beyond ignorant.
  - nervousvarun 10y ago
    True but I think his point was "it's not my problem that you didn't start your R&D in a timely manner...say 5 years ago". Anyways that's what I read into it. As consumers we assume hugely successful historical automotive powerhouses like BMW would have something ready to go NOW because they've been working on it already for 5 years (or ten years+ considering Prius). Maybe not always fair, but it's generally what people are going to assume.
  - steejk 10y ago
    There's a cultural difference among traditional automakers in which new innovations are withheld from being released as they are not required to maintain a competitive position. This is very different from the attitude in the Valley/startups in which there appears to be a genuine desire to advance innovation of mankind.
    - vinay427 10y ago
      As someone who has followed the car industry closely for many years, I disagree. Most automakers have been competing to survive on many dimensions throughout their life. It's just that Tesla has added more dimensions to the mix that automakers didn't prepare for, and playing catch-up takes time with such a complex product.
  - dabeeeenster 10y ago
    Beyond ignorant? That's polite. Maybe if the OEMs had spent the last 10 years designing and building electric cars instead of putting out diesel agents that broke the law in dozens of countries they would be in a better position.
mikeash 10y ago
"Hard" is relative. GM is doing it right now, Tesla is doing it next year, so there's no real excuse for other car makers other than them simply not wanting to. Sure, I couldn't do it. But the difficulty has an upper bound based on a simple existence proof.

by zyx321 10y ago

alimbada 10y ago

It's not hard for existing car manufacturers...

0xFFC 10y ago

I see what you are saying and I partially agree with it. But the point is Audi,BMW,etc they are not first year art student. They have billion dollar R&D budget. Update: And keep in mind Tesla is not product of yesterday. Vibe for electronic car was around I think much longer than Tesla.But big names (Audi,BMW,etc) just ignored it for so long (maybe because of no serious competitor or corruptness -why do they need to work on something revolutionary when they are market leaders) until some guy stepped in and challeged them seriously.

zyx321 10y ago
And they evidently are working on it. But to say "release it now, don't make me wait 5 years" is beyond ignorant.
- nervousvarun 10y ago
  True but I think his point was "it's not my problem that you didn't start your R&D in a timely manner...say 5 years ago". Anyways that's what I read into it. As consumers we assume hugely successful historical automotive powerhouses like BMW would have something ready to go NOW because they've been working on it already for 5 years (or ten years+ considering Prius). Maybe not always fair, but it's generally what people are going to assume.
- steejk 10y ago
  There's a cultural difference among traditional automakers in which new innovations are withheld from being released as they are not required to maintain a competitive position. This is very different from the attitude in the Valley/startups in which there appears to be a genuine desire to advance innovation of mankind.
  - vinay427 10y ago
    As someone who has followed the car industry closely for many years, I disagree. Most automakers have been competing to survive on many dimensions throughout their life. It's just that Tesla has added more dimensions to the mix that automakers didn't prepare for, and playing catch-up takes time with such a complex product.
- dabeeeenster 10y ago
  Beyond ignorant? That's polite. Maybe if the OEMs had spent the last 10 years designing and building electric cars instead of putting out diesel agents that broke the law in dozens of countries they would be in a better position.

mikeash 10y ago

"Hard" is relative. GM is doing it right now, Tesla is doing it next year, so there's no real excuse for other car makers other than them simply not wanting to. Sure, I couldn't do it. But the difficulty has an upper bound based on a simple existence proof.