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All I have to say is get a fucking warrant like the constitution you swore an oath to requires! Once they have a warrant, a specific one at that (as opposed to
by arca_vorago 10y ago
All I have to say is get a fucking warrant like the constitution you swore an oath to requires! Once they have a warrant, a specific one at that (as opposed to a general or blanket one), and then use of these tools is ok.
I understand they got a warrant for the server, but theydidnt get warrants for each user like they should have, so unless I am missing something, it's blatantly unconstitutional.
This is where some beltway establishment stenographers would say "but it was thousands, warrants would take too long!" Well tough fucking shit, you still have to get a warrant for each IP.
Unless there is some legal precedent someone wants to cite to me, which I have yet to see.
Mark my words, cp and terrorism and cyberterrorism (read: major bank hacks) are the things going to be used to increase the surveillance of the internet. If we dont stand up for the rights even of horrible people, its a slippery slope that will, not might bite us in the ass later.
First they came for the people who clicked on url shortners, etc.
Shit hell, I wouldnt be surprised if the FBI used this fishnet to spearphish people that had nothing to do with the site so they became targets.
eg: Send that pesky dissident an email with a link to this so that they pop on the autocomprimise tool and voila, dissident surveillance engine disguised as good guy cp catching program.
On a side note, I did some pretty extensive forensics training to be able to testify about stuff like this, and you would be utterly amazed at how many of the other "forensics specialists" were utterly incompetent. (for example, not knowing any other fs than ntfs...)
- pfg 10y agoThe warrant in question is one that allows them to deploy the NIT in order to get the IP addresses in the first place. They wouldn't know these addresses prior to deploying the NIT, so there's no way they'd be able to get a warrant for each IP prior to that. Once they had the IPs, they subpoenaed the ISPs and got search warrants for the owners. I haven't really made up my mind about the legalities of this case, it's quite tricky. I think the FBI should definitely have to disclose the NIT (both the exploit and the payload) to the defense, but I'm not sure about the warrant (Rule 41 issues aside).
- arca_vorago 10y agoI appreciate the details your have provided here, I will be reading up more on this. I just wish there was a "legalese for geeks" book.
- gaius 10y agoConsider that in American TV and pop culture, the cop who breaks the rules, ignores due process, shoots first and asks questions after, is the hero.
- arca_vorago 10y agoConsider that operation mockingbird never really went away after the church committee and much of that is potentially propaganda.
- walrus01 10y ago> Mark my words, cp and terrorism and cyberterrorism (read: major bank hacks) are the things going to be used to increase Going to be used, future tense? Welcome to 2002... This has been the status quo for a long time now.