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Tesla Software Update 8.0
- purephase 10y agoNot a Tesla owner, but that Cabin Overhead Protection feature is pretty cool (pun intended).
- erispoe 10y agoYes, I wonder if it detects something living is in the car? A baby, a dog... Does the car have the sensors to tell?
- toomuchtodo 10y agoNo sensors, you have to set the high and low thresholds manually.
- lojack 10y agoSo, does that mean its constantly draining battery when parked? Is this drain significant?
- rorosaurus 10y ago"Tesla keeps temp below 40C/105F by automatically venting cabin & turning on AC when needed. Can do this for up to a year on a full charge." https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/778602694399320065 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/778602694399320065
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- LeifCarrotson 10y agoWell, sure, if it's 72 and partly cloudy out. My car can do that for years by leaving the windows open. This feature only really matters when it's swelteringly hot out. What if I park a black Tesla at the San Diego airport for a week-long vacation, and it's 100 degrees and unmitigated direct sun? Will I come back to a battery that can't get me home? That would be when I would want this feature to avoid damage to my car from it overheating. But also when it's most likely to run down the battery.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoLuckily, there are 42 EV chargers at the San Diego airport for use (free with parking fee). Simply leave your Tesla plugged into any one of them. http://www.plugshare.com/?location=13910 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=13910 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=14077 http://www.plugshare.com/?location=14077
- Tempest1981 10y agoAnd send someone to periodically feed the baby. (Although it would be nice if Tesla eventually offered this service.)
- giarc 10y agoFollow up tweets by Musk. >Can be turned on or off. V8.1 will allow always-on min and max temps to be set. >currently stops at 20% state of charge. This number will be configurable.
- colejohnson66 10y agoIf it can handle a year on a full charge, then unless your battery is below 2%, it'll last a week. And if it was below 2%, you probably wouldn't be able to make it home anyways.
- tempestn 10y agoThe parent's point is that the circumstances would dictate how quickly the battery drains, so it wouldn't always last a year on full charge. (And therefore not always a week with > 2% charge.) That said, it's not trying to keep it chilly, just not deathly hot, so I expect it would still be fine.
- colejohnson66 10y agoRight, but it also shuts off at 20%, right? So it won't drain your battery anyways
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- mavhc 10y agoI'm surprised by that, my 2006 Prius has internal sensors for activating the theft alarm, with a button to disable if you're leaving things that move inside.
- simonsarris 10y agoYeah but then you accidentally kill your sleeping baby because it doesn't activate. I suspect they considered it and decided not to do it because the safety threat of a minute mistake is just too high.
- koenigdavidmj 10y agoSo a touchscreen meant you lose tactile feedback. We knew that already. But now all the buttons move around too?
- userbinator 10y agoIt reminds me of one of the points from this old yet almost prescient joke: http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pnw/microsoftjoke.htm http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/pnw/microsoftjoke.htm 9. Every time a new car was introduced car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
- zyx321 10y ago>6. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "This Car Has Performed An Illegal Operation" warning light. Oh, how we laughed.
- mhandley 10y ago> 10. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off." Three out of ten; that's better than most lists of predictions of the future. Now, if rumours are to be believed, we'll see number 5 shortly.
- aidenn0 10y agoOn my wife's car the play/pause and toggle-repeat "buttons" are both on the touch screen right next to each other and are maybe 1cm in size. It is easily the worst interface I've ever used in a car for anything.
- silon7 10y agoLack of touchscreen was a + point when deciding to buy my current car. IMO, if the touchscreen serves as more than one button/action while driving, it's a broken design. Even the BMW "wheel button" is a better one.
- jackweirdy 10y agoThe link now seems to 404
- prawn 10y agoWorks for me.
- ParadisoShlee 10y agoThe mating call of the jerk.
- chrismorgan 10y agoI get it loading the right page, then immediately redirecting to https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/software?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/software?redirect=no which is a 404.
- Malice 10y agohttps://www.tesla.com/software?redirect=no https://www.tesla.com/software?redirect=no
- TheSmiddy 10y agoworks if you select US as your location, doesn't work for AU and presumably some other locations.
- speedplane 10y agoSo the biggest news here seems to be the upgrades to Autopilot. (https://www.tesla.com/blog/upgrading-autopilot-seeing-world-radar https://www.tesla.com/blog/upgrading-autopilot-seeing-world-...). They describe a fantastic amount of new technology, including using radar to make a point cloud despite the fact that "[s]omething made of wood or painted plastic ... is almost as transparent as glass to radar." This venture reeks Murphy's Law. I'll let someone else be the guinea pig in this experiment.
- Animats 10y ago"It is hard to tell from a single frame whether an object is moving or stationary or to distinguish spurious reflections." What, they're not getting range rate directly from the radar? You can tell if an object is moving towards or away from you from one frame if you have range rate. Bosch automotive radars do return range rate.[1] Even 1990s automotive radars returned range rate. That's one of the huge advantages of radar over vision. Range and range rate go into a very simple formula which yields time to collision. Vision is lousy at range rate and gets worse as the distance increases. Radar is good at range rate and the error is constant out the range of the radar. Whomever wrote that piece of PR probably doesn't really know how it works. [1] https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/ohiou1304083389/inline https://etd.ohiolink.edu/rws_etd/document/get/ohiou130408338...
- sliverstorm 10y agoMy recollection is Tesla has been leaning heavily on optical image processing. Perhaps the radar is, or was, not very sophisticated? For example, can a single unit by itself tell, in one frame, if an object is moving laterally to its field of view? The radar was added to all Tesla vehicles in October 2014 as part of the Autopilot hardware suite, but was only meant to be a supplementary sensor to the primary camera and image processing system.
- rsync 10y ago"I'll let someone else be the guinea pig in this experiment." You don't actually have this option - if you are sharing roads with these cars, you're automatically a beta tester.
- jedberg 10y ago> Cabin Overheat Protection I hope that besides cooling the car it includes a feature that pulls down some signs in the windows that says "no really the A/C is on and my kid/dog is fine, don't break the glass". I mean I'm kinda joking here but not really. This has been a problem for Prius owners for a long time (they can have a/c on manually when the car is off)
- kbenson 10y agoDefinitely. The fact the some states allow people to break the glass on cars to rescue overheating animals under certain circumstances is good. The fact that people know that they are allowed to do this under some circumstances, but not all the requirements that make it okay is not good. I once left my dog in my car while I walked 150 feet across a single level parking lot into a building, spent 90 seconds inside, and walked back to the car, to find a note on the windshield saying "Your dog is dying in there! You should be ashamed! This is illegal and I should report you!" The car was chilly from A/C before I left, every window was cracked at least a few inches while I was gone, and obviously the person couldn't have stuck around long, because I wasn't gone more than a few minutes. If it's that easy to mistake a panting dog for a "dying" dog, I can see how this is a problem.
- M_Grey 10y agoThe safest bet is just to wait for a couple of minutes, observe the animal for any changes. It's going to become really clear in that time if there's distress, or just... being a dog. Then, if you're still concerned call the police, and wait for them. If while waiting you become concerned for the dog's life, break the window.
- eth0up 10y agoI wonder if hackers will have to be 6 instead of 12 miles away to take control of it now.
- eth0up 10y agoI've added a link in case the above comment makes no sense: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-model-s-chinese-hack-remote-control-brakes https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/20/tesla-mod... The vulnerability has been "patched", but I cannot help but be peeved at any private automobile that can be remotely controlled. Of course, it isn't only Teslas: https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-risk/ https://www.wired.com/2016/03/fbi-warns-car-hacking-real-ris...
- rodgerd 10y agoI think it's more likely downvoted for the same reason the hack didn't appear on the HN home page, while hacks on Chryslers or the VW emissions scandal do, repeatedly: don't criticise Tesla. Even when they apparently employ idiots who hook the web browser up to the brakes.
- rnhmjoj 10y agoSeveral articles from different sources were submitted but no a single one went above 10 points.
- jacoblambda 10y agoThe problem is that to be able to do OTA updates, you have to have the control system hooked up to the internet in some capacity. The only way to avoid this is to airgap the 2 and make the user plug in a patch cord to update. Of course that runs into the issue of interfering with their fleet telemetry and background 'alpha test static verification'
- guessmyname 10y agoFrom the video at the bottom of the page [1] at minute 00:31: > Every time we get a new update it seems like something got better [...] What? Is not that the main purpose of an update? To make things better? [1] https://player.vimeo.com/video/183523845 https://player.vimeo.com/video/183523845
- 35bge57dtjku 10y agoSure, but most s/w updates I get don't seem to do shit, at least that I notice.
- Mao_Zedang 10y agoI have to pay $200 to get the software in my car updated and its crap.
- dewski 10y agoWhy do you have to pay $200?
- stmfreak 10y agoBecause it is a "dealer service" procedure.
- JugMarker 10y agoBMW wanted to charge me €450 for an update for my navigation CD. That was around 2004 or so. Oh, and around €1000 for an iPod connector. The nerve of these guys.
- dewski 10y agoAh that makes sense, I thought he meant for a Tesla.
- gambiting 10y ago404 page not found here
- ersii 10y agoIt's because you've chosen another region than "United States". Click on your region/country flag in the bar below and change it to the US - and the page will work. Weirdly, it doesn't seem like tesla.com/lang/software exists - which it redirects to.
- avar 10y agoInteresting that their marketing video has someone driving on the cycle path at 00:26. Maybe warning about that is something they can address in the next software update :)
- nivekmai 10y agoIt's already there, the steering wheel will vibrate when you go over the line to simulate those bumps on the side of the road. It even goes off if you simply cross a dotted lane that it detects. I can almost guarantee that driver was feeling the bumps (unless they turned the feature off).
- calinet6 10y agoAs a UI designer, I have a question for any Tesla owners out there. Are the UI text and interface elements large enough? They appear pretty small for their intended use in a busy and distracting car environment. I notice that with each revision they bump up in size and simplicity just a little, so maybe they're narrowing in on a more optimal size, but I probably would have started much larger and simpler. I've always been curious how it is to actually use in day to day driving.
- toddmorey 10y agoI came into the ownership experience pretty nervous that the touchscreen would be a distraction. But it works and works well. The screen is huge and all the targets are a comfortable size. You don't really get a feeling for the real scale of thing from a screenshot. It's organized and intuitive, with common controls well anchored to the edges and corners. Working with an active navigation route was the one area where I felt they could improve. In particular, the UI for cancelling guidance is too small and fussy. I'm probably not the only one who noticed because it looks like they reworked some of that. I am NOT optimistic about how they appear (in 8.0) to be hiding the main navigation at the top. Doesn't seem like the extra space was ever needed. It feels like a cosmetic decision that adds an extra step.
- calinet6 10y agoThanks! That's good to hear and sounds better in real life.
- mikeash 10y agoFor what it's worth, I'd say about the same. You can generally ignore the touchscreen while driving, and at least for me, its mere presence isn't distracting. I was worried about it, but it turned out not to be a problem.
- mstade 10y agoI don't own a Tesla, but I've driven them, and I'd echo this sentiment. The screen really is huge, and the UI works surprisingly well. I say surprisingly because I came into the experience thinking it'd be difficult to navigate, hard to hit the right things on screen while driving etc., but there was none of that. All in all it was a nice experience, and I can't say I missed physical knobs and switches much. The one thing I immediately did miss in the car though, oddly enough, were the assist handles – the ones above the passenger doors where you can hang dry cleaning etc. There were none of those. I know this has nothing to do with the original question, but still. One of those details I didn't think I needed (or wanted) until they were missed.
- dharma1 10y agoAre they still using Qt?