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I wonder if this finding could help with ulcerative colitis as well

by tylorr 10y ago

dmix 10y ago
Wondering the same thing, from my understanding UC is a variation of Chrons. Although I've personally found it pretty easy to manage after my initially attack in my early 20s. But I've heard Chrons is different and treatment is much more diet-based. Whereas with Colitis there doesn't seem to be a connection to nutrition (yet).
- HillRat 10y ago
  Crohn's is best understood as a collection of symptoms than an actual diagnosis, because -- this article being a case in point -- the underlying etiology isn't understood. For example, treatments that work on Crohn's patients in Japan don't work on US patients, indicating that the diagnosis is covering multiple disorders.
  - dmix 10y ago
    Interesting. I believe HIV has a similar issue? Where a weakened immune system causes a bunch of other illnesses and cancers. The doctors told me UC is the immune system overreacting and damaging the colon. So it's still possible it's correlated to the bodies microbiome. But as you mentioned it could be very person/ethnic-specific.
  - HillaryBriss 10y ago
    Interesting note about treatment working in Japan but not US. Do you have any more details about that? Thanks.
    - HillRat 10y ago
      The gold standard protocol in Japan has traditionally been exclusive enteral nutrition, but Crohn's in western countries has generally been refractory in studies. Japanese remission rates are reported in the 70-90% range, so it's a pretty significant finding. The Royston Vasey Journal of Culinary Medicine also had some intriguing results from a meat-based therapeutic diet, but the control population disappeared before conclusive results could be drawn.
      - HillaryBriss 10y ago
        Ah. Yes. I'm familiar with that RVJCM "study." Supplied the raw ingredient you know. I told them: don't blend this with anything else. My special stuff isn't hamburger helper is it now? Bloody doctors. They should have listened when they had the chance.

I wonder if this finding could help with ulcerative colitis as well

by tylorr 10y ago

I wonder if this finding could help with ulcerative colitis as well

dmix 10y ago

Wondering the same thing, from my understanding UC is a variation of Chrons. Although I've personally found it pretty easy to manage after my initially attack in my early 20s. But I've heard Chrons is different and treatment is much more diet-based. Whereas with Colitis there doesn't seem to be a connection to nutrition (yet).

HillRat 10y ago
Crohn's is best understood as a collection of symptoms than an actual diagnosis, because -- this article being a case in point -- the underlying etiology isn't understood. For example, treatments that work on Crohn's patients in Japan don't work on US patients, indicating that the diagnosis is covering multiple disorders.
- dmix 10y ago
  Interesting. I believe HIV has a similar issue? Where a weakened immune system causes a bunch of other illnesses and cancers. The doctors told me UC is the immune system overreacting and damaging the colon. So it's still possible it's correlated to the bodies microbiome. But as you mentioned it could be very person/ethnic-specific.
- HillaryBriss 10y ago
  Interesting note about treatment working in Japan but not US. Do you have any more details about that? Thanks.
  - HillRat 10y ago
    The gold standard protocol in Japan has traditionally been exclusive enteral nutrition, but Crohn's in western countries has generally been refractory in studies. Japanese remission rates are reported in the 70-90% range, so it's a pretty significant finding. The Royston Vasey Journal of Culinary Medicine also had some intriguing results from a meat-based therapeutic diet, but the control population disappeared before conclusive results could be drawn.
    - HillaryBriss 10y ago
      Ah. Yes. I'm familiar with that RVJCM "study." Supplied the raw ingredient you know. I told them: don't blend this with anything else. My special stuff isn't hamburger helper is it now? Bloody doctors. They should have listened when they had the chance.