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Efene 0.4 - a language for the erlang VM - released

21 points by marianoguerra 17y ago

SlyShy 17y ago
I like this. Looks and feels like Ruby, but it receiver patterns, instead of method_missing wonkiness. The arrow expression is cool as well. http://wiki.github.com/marianoguerra/efene/languagereference http://wiki.github.com/marianoguerra/efene/languagereference
rubyrescue 17y ago
This is great - I would love to see Efene and Reia (to some extent, same language goals with ruby-esque syntax) take off, but the Erlang community is so small it's hard to see a critical mass for either developing. some reasons: 1. Erlang syntax really isn't that hard. As soon as you do a few real-world problems in it, you stop worrying about syntax and just focus on the solution. 2. Efene in particular doesn't make Erlang more 'scripty'. 3. Most people still need to learn Erlang fundamentals and they're going to have to do it in Erlang as that's all the documentation is written in. Until people start writing tutorials in Efene that teach the fundamentals of the Erlang Platform, thereby allowing a newbie to go from no knowledge of Erlang/OTP to being productive, they'll detour through "period/comma/semicolon alley" and probably won't come back. Don't see this as negativity, i love what Mariano and Tony are doing with both languages...
- marianoguerra 17y ago
  I agree with some things, I'm just trying to make more people come to the erlang platform :) if this ends up with people starting with efene and ending coding erlang, then great, my job was done. I know people that wont try python because it doesn't have curly brackets, if you give them a way to use curly brackets even if they end up coding python, then you reacehd your goal, the fundamentals aren't in the syntax but a lot of people give a huge importance to the syntax as the first thing to choose a language.
jashkenas 17y ago
Looks like Efene is written mostly in Efene. Wonderful stuff: http://github.com/marianoguerra/efene/blob/master/src/compiler/efene.fn http://github.com/marianoguerra/efene/blob/master/src/compil... marianoguerra: You should consider attending the Emerging Languages Conference this summer. http://emerginglangs.com/ http://emerginglangs.com/
- marianoguerra 17y ago
  yep, efene is written in efene since 0.3, the only non efene code is yecc (.yrl) and leex (.xrl). but the code is not really representative of efene since it's almost all tree transversing and transformation (lot of pattern matching). about emerginglangs, right now I'm in Argentina so a little far for me :D
anonjon 17y ago
IDK. I think erlang syntax is charming when compared to C syntax. In reality, if someone is having trouble switching languages because the syntax is too different, i have trouble imagining them being very good at programming. It is a problem between the ears.

21 points by marianoguerra 17y ago

I like this. Looks and feels like Ruby, but it receiver patterns, instead of method_missing wonkiness. The arrow expression is cool as well. http://wiki.github.com/marianoguerra/efene/languagereference http://wiki.github.com/marianoguerra/efene/languagereference

rubyrescue 17y ago

This is great - I would love to see Efene and Reia (to some extent, same language goals with ruby-esque syntax) take off, but the Erlang community is so small it's hard to see a critical mass for either developing. some reasons: 1. Erlang syntax really isn't that hard. As soon as you do a few real-world problems in it, you stop worrying about syntax and just focus on the solution. 2. Efene in particular doesn't make Erlang more 'scripty'. 3. Most people still need to learn Erlang fundamentals and they're going to have to do it in Erlang as that's all the documentation is written in. Until people start writing tutorials in Efene that teach the fundamentals of the Erlang Platform, thereby allowing a newbie to go from no knowledge of Erlang/OTP to being productive, they'll detour through "period/comma/semicolon alley" and probably won't come back. Don't see this as negativity, i love what Mariano and Tony are doing with both languages...

marianoguerra 17y ago
I agree with some things, I'm just trying to make more people come to the erlang platform :) if this ends up with people starting with efene and ending coding erlang, then great, my job was done. I know people that wont try python because it doesn't have curly brackets, if you give them a way to use curly brackets even if they end up coding python, then you reacehd your goal, the fundamentals aren't in the syntax but a lot of people give a huge importance to the syntax as the first thing to choose a language.

jashkenas 17y ago

Looks like Efene is written mostly in Efene. Wonderful stuff: http://github.com/marianoguerra/efene/blob/master/src/compiler/efene.fn http://github.com/marianoguerra/efene/blob/master/src/compil... marianoguerra: You should consider attending the Emerging Languages Conference this summer. http://emerginglangs.com/ http://emerginglangs.com/

marianoguerra 17y ago
yep, efene is written in efene since 0.3, the only non efene code is yecc (.yrl) and leex (.xrl). but the code is not really representative of efene since it's almost all tree transversing and transformation (lot of pattern matching). about emerginglangs, right now I'm in Argentina so a little far for me :D

anonjon 17y ago

IDK. I think erlang syntax is charming when compared to C syntax. In reality, if someone is having trouble switching languages because the syntax is too different, i have trouble imagining them being very good at programming. It is a problem between the ears.