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Oh, so they have claim to a percentage of my labor? without my consent? That sounds like something...

aperrien 10y ago
If you don't want to consent to paying for the benefits of living in a particular society, then don't be part of that society.
- djschnei 10y ago
  "Don't like police brutality? Just move!"
Frondo 10y ago
Your parents/legal guardians consented for you when you were a minor and could not make such an agreement. When you reached the age of majority, you gave consent by continuing to live here. (And if you think consent requires words, and not merely actions, try wordlessly walking out of a convenience store with a package of slim jims you didn't pay for.)
- djschnei 10y ago
  I find it endlessly amusing you're hypothetical for non-verbal consent is literally theft. However, I agree; taxation is necessary for government to exist. I'm also not an anarchist. I see taxation as a necessary evil, but I refuse to not call it what it is. Like the case with most (all) necessary evils, I consider it a moral obligation to advocate for it's conservative application. So, sorry you find it offensive that I want the government to steal less of your labor. I hold no grudges towards people that would like to see their labor partitioned towards public works to whatever extent they see fit, but I maintain coercion is immoral. Lastly, the "just move argument" is a real gem. "Don't like police brutality? just move." Talk about letting your privilege show...
  - Frondo 10y ago
    Your hypothetical refusing to pay your tax is also theft; you are stealing from the rest of us. I'm glad you agree that taxation is necessary for government to exist. Some day, I hope you'll come around to doing away with silly word games like "it's theft". Because it isn't.
    - djschnei 10y ago
      If, as you say, I am merely being charged for services, what do I do If services are being offered which I morally oppose and don't want to be part of? I am still forced to (coerced) to pay for them (theft) regardless of my usage. For example, I am vehemently opposed to our current handful of military actions. I don't want my money going towards innocent loss of life or actions that promote it. You're answer is to simply uproot my life and move? What do you think would happen if we could allocate our tax dollars personally however we see fit? With access to different public "services" being granted accordingly?

If you don't want to consent to paying for the benefits of living in a particular society, then don't be part of that society.

djschnei 10y ago
"Don't like police brutality? Just move!"

Frondo 10y ago

Your parents/legal guardians consented for you when you were a minor and could not make such an agreement. When you reached the age of majority, you gave consent by continuing to live here. (And if you think consent requires words, and not merely actions, try wordlessly walking out of a convenience store with a package of slim jims you didn't pay for.)

djschnei 10y ago
I find it endlessly amusing you're hypothetical for non-verbal consent is literally theft. However, I agree; taxation is necessary for government to exist. I'm also not an anarchist. I see taxation as a necessary evil, but I refuse to not call it what it is. Like the case with most (all) necessary evils, I consider it a moral obligation to advocate for it's conservative application. So, sorry you find it offensive that I want the government to steal less of your labor. I hold no grudges towards people that would like to see their labor partitioned towards public works to whatever extent they see fit, but I maintain coercion is immoral. Lastly, the "just move argument" is a real gem. "Don't like police brutality? just move." Talk about letting your privilege show...
- Frondo 10y ago
  Your hypothetical refusing to pay your tax is also theft; you are stealing from the rest of us. I'm glad you agree that taxation is necessary for government to exist. Some day, I hope you'll come around to doing away with silly word games like "it's theft". Because it isn't.
  - djschnei 10y ago
    If, as you say, I am merely being charged for services, what do I do If services are being offered which I morally oppose and don't want to be part of? I am still forced to (coerced) to pay for them (theft) regardless of my usage. For example, I am vehemently opposed to our current handful of military actions. I don't want my money going towards innocent loss of life or actions that promote it. You're answer is to simply uproot my life and move? What do you think would happen if we could allocate our tax dollars personally however we see fit? With access to different public "services" being granted accordingly?