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The tenor of your comment is not cool.

gd1 10y ago
Fucking bite me. Dribbling alarmist wank like 'methane clathrates' is why people are sceptical. It ranks right up there with theories about my toaster exploding come Y2K because it has embedded chips in it. I mean jesus christ, it was 2.5 to 7.0 degrees celsius warmer in the arctic for TWO THOUSAND YEARS just 9000 years BP (i.e. a geological blink), and no, we aren't dead from some giant methane burp. "During the period of maximum forest extension, the mean July temperatures along the northern coastline of Russia may have been 2.5° to 7.0°C warmer than modern." - Holocene Treeline History and Climate Change Across Northern Eurasia, http://epic.awi.de/4164/1/Mac2000c.pdf http://epic.awi.de/4164/1/Mac2000c.pdf
- xbmcuser 10y ago
  2000 years ago the world population was maybe 20mil. Saying the earth being a few degrees warmer now wont make a difference is stupid statement. As billions will die from droughts famine and the wars that will be the result of it. We humans are warming the earth you don't want to do anything about it or don't care about it is one thing. Saying it won't effect the world as the temperature was warmer 2000 years ago is a stupid statement.
  - gd1 10y ago
    No, you illiterate moron, I said the temperature IN THE ARCTIC was 2.5-7.0 degrees celsius warmer 9000-7000 years before present (BP). Not 2000. Hence, apocalyptic theories about methane clathrates are horse shit. And I said absolutely nothing about it having any bearing on global warming/climate change in general.
- anexprogrammer 10y ago
  You presumably don't know that the HCO period of warming correlates with the periodic changes in axial tilt. The Northern Hemisphere warmed as you state, and the Southern Hemisphere cooled. It wasn't a global warming, but an increase in solar to the North. Globally temperatures were probably similar to today. Any runaway effects in the North and Arctic would have been compensated by increased glaciation in the South. That's why Antarctic cores go back further - it didn't melt like the Arctic did.
  - gd1 10y ago
    No, I do know that, and it is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter why the artic was seven degrees warmer, all that matters is that it was seven degrees warmer. And there was no methane burp or PETM was there?
    - m_mueller 10y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12557292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12557292

gd1 10y ago

Fucking bite me. Dribbling alarmist wank like 'methane clathrates' is why people are sceptical. It ranks right up there with theories about my toaster exploding come Y2K because it has embedded chips in it. I mean jesus christ, it was 2.5 to 7.0 degrees celsius warmer in the arctic for TWO THOUSAND YEARS just 9000 years BP (i.e. a geological blink), and no, we aren't dead from some giant methane burp. "During the period of maximum forest extension, the mean July temperatures along the northern coastline of Russia may have been 2.5° to 7.0°C warmer than modern." - Holocene Treeline History and Climate Change Across Northern Eurasia, http://epic.awi.de/4164/1/Mac2000c.pdf http://epic.awi.de/4164/1/Mac2000c.pdf

xbmcuser 10y ago
2000 years ago the world population was maybe 20mil. Saying the earth being a few degrees warmer now wont make a difference is stupid statement. As billions will die from droughts famine and the wars that will be the result of it. We humans are warming the earth you don't want to do anything about it or don't care about it is one thing. Saying it won't effect the world as the temperature was warmer 2000 years ago is a stupid statement.
- gd1 10y ago
  No, you illiterate moron, I said the temperature IN THE ARCTIC was 2.5-7.0 degrees celsius warmer 9000-7000 years before present (BP). Not 2000. Hence, apocalyptic theories about methane clathrates are horse shit. And I said absolutely nothing about it having any bearing on global warming/climate change in general.
anexprogrammer 10y ago
You presumably don't know that the HCO period of warming correlates with the periodic changes in axial tilt. The Northern Hemisphere warmed as you state, and the Southern Hemisphere cooled. It wasn't a global warming, but an increase in solar to the North. Globally temperatures were probably similar to today. Any runaway effects in the North and Arctic would have been compensated by increased glaciation in the South. That's why Antarctic cores go back further - it didn't melt like the Arctic did.
- gd1 10y ago
  No, I do know that, and it is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter why the artic was seven degrees warmer, all that matters is that it was seven degrees warmer. And there was no methane burp or PETM was there?
  - m_mueller 10y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12557292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12557292