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Please read up on Arctic methane release and the Clathrate gun hypothesis. I wonder whether a doubling of the current greenhouse effect within only tens of year

Please read up on Arctic methane release and the Clathrate gun hypothesis. I wonder whether a doubling of the current greenhouse effect within only tens of years would still not bother you.

teekert 10y ago
Yeah because bothering will help... I for one am going to do things differently: Where me and my friends grew up sometimes crying over acidic rain, holes in the ozone layer and a generally inhabitable earth, I will not do that to my kids. I will raise them with a respect for Nature but that's it. I bet solar will soon be the most sensible solution for most power needs market-wise as well as environment-wise. Feeling shitty about yourself and your future does not change a thing, if anything it make your feel hopeless instead of empowered (like "original sin" from the bible does).
- m_mueller 10y ago
  I'm not saying feel shitty, all I want is for people to care as much that they at least try to elect representatives who aren't blind to this.
- locopati 10y ago
  People getting upset about acid rain and the ozone hole actually got things done to remediate the problem.
m_mueller 10y ago
replying to myself because I can't react to the dead poster anymore: I don't have high hopes that data will reverse any of your prejudices, but here you go: Most recent study of methane flux/storage in the ESAS: http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/373/2052/20140451 http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/373/2052/2014... Arctic temperatures are estimated to rise 1.9x compared to global average: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL025244/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL025244/full During HCO the arctic is estimated to have been 4-6C warmer than baseline (yearly average): https://epic.awi.de/38441/1/Beierlein_2015_Holocene_page1.pdf https://epic.awi.de/38441/1/Beierlein_2015_Holocene_page1.pd... That's not all that much. We're now already at 400ppm CO2, and recent unmitigated projections to 2100 (538ppm) simulate an arctic yearly average of ~ plus 8C: http://climatenewsnetwork.net/arctic-is-set-to-reach-13c-by-2100/ http://climatenewsnetwork.net/arctic-is-set-to-reach-13c-by-... And that most probably doesn't take a positive methane feedback loop into account. So, are you willing to play the russian roulette game with the arctic methane? The PETM boundary showed a global average warming of 5C, mostly from arctic methane at a time where there wasn't even a large ice shelf, so with significantly lower capacity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maximum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maxim... That would be in addition to the CO2 induced warming, mind you.

Please read up on Arctic methane release and the Clathrate gun hypothesis. I wonder whether a doubling of the current greenhouse effect within only tens of years would still not bother you.

teekert 10y ago

Yeah because bothering will help... I for one am going to do things differently: Where me and my friends grew up sometimes crying over acidic rain, holes in the ozone layer and a generally inhabitable earth, I will not do that to my kids. I will raise them with a respect for Nature but that's it. I bet solar will soon be the most sensible solution for most power needs market-wise as well as environment-wise. Feeling shitty about yourself and your future does not change a thing, if anything it make your feel hopeless instead of empowered (like "original sin" from the bible does).

m_mueller 10y ago
I'm not saying feel shitty, all I want is for people to care as much that they at least try to elect representatives who aren't blind to this.
locopati 10y ago
People getting upset about acid rain and the ozone hole actually got things done to remediate the problem.

m_mueller 10y ago

replying to myself because I can't react to the dead poster anymore: I don't have high hopes that data will reverse any of your prejudices, but here you go: Most recent study of methane flux/storage in the ESAS: http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/373/2052/20140451 http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/373/2052/2014... Arctic temperatures are estimated to rise 1.9x compared to global average: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL025244/full http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL025244/full During HCO the arctic is estimated to have been 4-6C warmer than baseline (yearly average): https://epic.awi.de/38441/1/Beierlein_2015_Holocene_page1.pdf https://epic.awi.de/38441/1/Beierlein_2015_Holocene_page1.pd... That's not all that much. We're now already at 400ppm CO2, and recent unmitigated projections to 2100 (538ppm) simulate an arctic yearly average of ~ plus 8C: http://climatenewsnetwork.net/arctic-is-set-to-reach-13c-by-2100/ http://climatenewsnetwork.net/arctic-is-set-to-reach-13c-by-... And that most probably doesn't take a positive methane feedback loop into account. So, are you willing to play the russian roulette game with the arctic methane? The PETM boundary showed a global average warming of 5C, mostly from arctic methane at a time where there wasn't even a large ice shelf, so with significantly lower capacity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maximum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene–Eocene_Thermal_Maxim... That would be in addition to the CO2 induced warming, mind you.