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> I never quite understood that lawsuit. The volunteers understood that they weren't being paid when they signed up for the gig, right? You don't understand pe

by aikah 10y ago

> I never quite understood that lawsuit. The volunteers understood that they weren't being paid when they signed up for the gig, right? You don't understand people fighting for their rights? but I'm sure you do understand corporation exploiting them. There is no "signing up" when the deal is both illegal and unfair. Marx theories didn't go away because some people deemed them irrelevant. Ironically, in this era of political correctness where people apply Marxism to culture and speech instead of economy and workers rights, they should better remember what it is all about at first place and how they are being tricked into fighting useless fights. Your comment can't be more relevant, actually...

fwn 10y ago
Not an expert, but I am pretty sure that the idea to make non-paid, voluntary work that is inspired by a sense of community illegal to strengthen some 21. century understanding of workers rights is the straight up opposite of a Marxist utopia. I think the key is > There is no "signing up" when the deal is both illegal and unfair. If behaviour does conflict with lawyers or philosophers opinion, individual autonomy is to be stripped. (Therefore no agreeing, signing up, etc.) If those people disagree, people are just exploited socketpuppets for a political agenda. Maybe that's Marxist cynicism.
spacehome 10y ago
Can I volunteer to coach my son's little league team and then after the fact argue that I should get paid?
RaleyField 10y ago
> You don't understand people fighting for their rights? Are or should those be their rights? If I _voluntarily_ step into a volcano should that volcano be liable for my actions?
- falcolas 10y ago
  It's hard to sue a volcano, but you can be arrested for attempted manslaughter if you fail... Suicide is not legal.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > Suicide is not legal. Where?
    - falcolas 10y ago
      Check out Wikipedia's chart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Laws_in_individual_jurisdictions_.28table.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Laws_in_in... Now, I overstated its ilegality in most cases, but the reality is that you actually have remarkably little choice when it comes to waiving all of your rights away. Try to volunteer for a medical procedure which is governed by, but not yet been approved by, the FDA. Allowing people to "volunteer" for work in any condition for a for-profit company is also a very slippery slope. It would allow corporations to get around minimum wages, benefits, taxes... you name it. Not allowing volunteers is much better than allowing corporations to erode our rights as a workforce.

by aikah 10y ago

fwn 10y ago

Not an expert, but I am pretty sure that the idea to make non-paid, voluntary work that is inspired by a sense of community illegal to strengthen some 21. century understanding of workers rights is the straight up opposite of a Marxist utopia. I think the key is > There is no "signing up" when the deal is both illegal and unfair. If behaviour does conflict with lawyers or philosophers opinion, individual autonomy is to be stripped. (Therefore no agreeing, signing up, etc.) If those people disagree, people are just exploited socketpuppets for a political agenda. Maybe that's Marxist cynicism.

spacehome 10y ago

Can I volunteer to coach my son's little league team and then after the fact argue that I should get paid?

RaleyField 10y ago

> You don't understand people fighting for their rights? Are or should those be their rights? If I _voluntarily_ step into a volcano should that volcano be liable for my actions?

falcolas 10y ago
It's hard to sue a volcano, but you can be arrested for attempted manslaughter if you fail... Suicide is not legal.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > Suicide is not legal. Where?
  - falcolas 10y ago
    Check out Wikipedia's chart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Laws_in_individual_jurisdictions_.28table.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation#Laws_in_in... Now, I overstated its ilegality in most cases, but the reality is that you actually have remarkably little choice when it comes to waiving all of your rights away. Try to volunteer for a medical procedure which is governed by, but not yet been approved by, the FDA. Allowing people to "volunteer" for work in any condition for a for-profit company is also a very slippery slope. It would allow corporations to get around minimum wages, benefits, taxes... you name it. Not allowing volunteers is much better than allowing corporations to erode our rights as a workforce.