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It's not Secure Boot - yet. But this is what you're going to find - obsolescence depending on built-in hardware driver support. Not only are you not getting Lin

It's not Secure Boot - yet. But this is what you're going to find - obsolescence depending on built-in hardware driver support. Not only are you not getting Linux installed on here but Windows 7, or any future version of Windows that does not have this driver built for it. You'll then have to throw the hardware away. No, it wasn't a bullshit statement from a rep - it was a very clear statement from a rep, in black and white, that has not been retracted or clarified by Lenovo in any way. It's always funny when people choose not to believe verbatim statements and explanations put right in front of them.

colemickens 10y ago
>No, it wasn't a bullshit statement from a rep - it was a very clear statement from a rep, in black and white, that has not been retracted or clarified by Lenovo in any way. It's always funny when people choose not to believe verbatim statements and explanations put right in front of them. Literally nothing about this sentence is correct. Support reps know nothing, and nameless support reps that throw out statements like that with no explanation or link to company policies are even less likely to have a clue what they're talking about. I can't believe I'm having to explain this on Hacker News. It's like people on /r/xboxone that post the dumbest crap from support reps and claim it as Microsoft canon. And yes, Lenovo has clarified that... as everyone who is paying any attention already knows... no, it's not some bullshit conspiracy, and it is in fact the result of switching to faster storage technology that simply isn't supported by Linux today. http://news.softpedia.com/news/lenovo-says-linux-is-not-blocked-on-its-windows-10-pcs-508509.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/lenovo-says-linux-is-not-bloc... (this includes the statement from Lenovo) Plus, you know, you could read Matthew's blog post (the HN link that we're commenting on...) that explains this as well.
- farcical_tinpot 10y ago
  > Literally nothing about this sentence is correct. Sorry, but literally everything about it is correct. What a great adjective. > Support reps know nothing, and nameless support reps that throw out statements like that with no explanation Errrrr, no. Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true. This doesn't come out of nowhere. >I can't believe I'm having to explain this on Hacker News. Your working life must be pretty interesting if that's you're attitude to every crystal clear, unequivocal and precise statement you read ;-). > no, it's not some bullshit conspiracy No, it's not. An extremely clear statements has been made that is not open to misinterpretation. > Plus, you know, you could read Matthew's blog post (the HN link that we're commenting on...) that explains this as well. I have, and true to form, it doesn't. As usual we get someone who wants to tell us that black is white and that a manufacturer miraculously using buggy fake RAID drivers is now the done thing. For performance. Or power management. Or whatever the reason happens to be.
  - colemickens 10y ago
    >"Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true." What alternative reality do you live in? A short unsubstantiated single sentence-fragment from an unnamed, untitled support employee on a random fucking forum is not a "precise statement". >"An extremely clear statements has been made that is not open to misinterpretation." So let me get this straight... a nameless employee writing a single sentence with no explanation or justification... you'll accept as absolute truth. But the company issues AN ACTUAL PRESS RELEASE describing the technical reasoning... and you're just willing to completely dismiss and ignore that? >"As usual we get someone who wants to tell us that black is white and that a manufacturer miraculously using buggy fake RAID drivers is now the done thing. For performance. Or power management. Or whatever the reason happens to be." What the "buggy, fake drivers" are you talking about? Just making shit up now? Are you REALLY contending that the NVMe devices don't work better under RAID mode, despite the fact that it's a widely researched and accepted fact with whitepaper to boot? Please stop, this is embarrassing. Go troll somewhere else. I won't be participating in this conversation further, it's clearly a complete waste of time.
    - farcical_tinpot 10y ago
      > What alternative reality do you live in? A short unsubstantiated single sentence-fragment from an unnamed, untitled support employee on a random fucking forum is not a "precise statement". Ahhh, the anti-conspiracy theorist who doesn't want to see a spade in front of him. You have an employee at a company who has given a very short, to-the-point, precise reason as to why they can't do something. This hasn't been through an edit filter, been past lawyers or anyone else who has seen this as a problem. It's an honest statement that they probably didn't think would blow up into anything major. > But the company issues AN ACTUAL PRESS RELEASE describing the technical reasoning... and you're just willing to completely dismiss and ignore that? They're not going to admit that they couldn't do this because they had an agreement with Microsoft in an 'official' statement are they, you idiot? > What the "buggy, fake drivers" are you talking about? Just making shit up now? You haven't the faintest idea what they are talking about. 'Fake RAID' drivers (do try reading) are well known to be incredibly buggy because the RAID implementation is not in software in the OS or in hardware, it's shoehorned into the driver. The are not well tested or well maintained. Linux doesn't have these drivers....because it just doesn't need them. It already has a perfectly good RAID implementation of its own. > Are you REALLY contending that the NVMe devices don't work better under RAID mode, despite the fact that it's a widely researched and accepted fact with whitepaper to boot? What a load of utter dogshit. Single disk systems are run under AHCI for very good practical reasons. If you have multiple disks, then you can go ahead and look at various RAID implementations. I also wish people luck if they ever want to image their disk for recovery or try and read it in any other system. > Please stop, this is embarrassing. Go troll somewhere else. No, you're embarrassing yourself because you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about and obviously haven't read what's been written.
- farcical_tinpot 10y ago
  Adverb..... Bloody auto-complete.....

colemickens 10y ago

>No, it wasn't a bullshit statement from a rep - it was a very clear statement from a rep, in black and white, that has not been retracted or clarified by Lenovo in any way. It's always funny when people choose not to believe verbatim statements and explanations put right in front of them. Literally nothing about this sentence is correct. Support reps know nothing, and nameless support reps that throw out statements like that with no explanation or link to company policies are even less likely to have a clue what they're talking about. I can't believe I'm having to explain this on Hacker News. It's like people on /r/xboxone that post the dumbest crap from support reps and claim it as Microsoft canon. And yes, Lenovo has clarified that... as everyone who is paying any attention already knows... no, it's not some bullshit conspiracy, and it is in fact the result of switching to faster storage technology that simply isn't supported by Linux today. http://news.softpedia.com/news/lenovo-says-linux-is-not-blocked-on-its-windows-10-pcs-508509.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/lenovo-says-linux-is-not-bloc... (this includes the statement from Lenovo) Plus, you know, you could read Matthew's blog post (the HN link that we're commenting on...) that explains this as well.

farcical_tinpot 10y ago
> Literally nothing about this sentence is correct. Sorry, but literally everything about it is correct. What a great adjective. > Support reps know nothing, and nameless support reps that throw out statements like that with no explanation Errrrr, no. Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true. This doesn't come out of nowhere. >I can't believe I'm having to explain this on Hacker News. Your working life must be pretty interesting if that's you're attitude to every crystal clear, unequivocal and precise statement you read ;-). > no, it's not some bullshit conspiracy No, it's not. An extremely clear statements has been made that is not open to misinterpretation. > Plus, you know, you could read Matthew's blog post (the HN link that we're commenting on...) that explains this as well. I have, and true to form, it doesn't. As usual we get someone who wants to tell us that black is white and that a manufacturer miraculously using buggy fake RAID drivers is now the done thing. For performance. Or power management. Or whatever the reason happens to be.
- colemickens 10y ago
  >"Support reps do not throw out incredible specific, crystal clear and precise statements like that unless they're true." What alternative reality do you live in? A short unsubstantiated single sentence-fragment from an unnamed, untitled support employee on a random fucking forum is not a "precise statement". >"An extremely clear statements has been made that is not open to misinterpretation." So let me get this straight... a nameless employee writing a single sentence with no explanation or justification... you'll accept as absolute truth. But the company issues AN ACTUAL PRESS RELEASE describing the technical reasoning... and you're just willing to completely dismiss and ignore that? >"As usual we get someone who wants to tell us that black is white and that a manufacturer miraculously using buggy fake RAID drivers is now the done thing. For performance. Or power management. Or whatever the reason happens to be." What the "buggy, fake drivers" are you talking about? Just making shit up now? Are you REALLY contending that the NVMe devices don't work better under RAID mode, despite the fact that it's a widely researched and accepted fact with whitepaper to boot? Please stop, this is embarrassing. Go troll somewhere else. I won't be participating in this conversation further, it's clearly a complete waste of time.
  - farcical_tinpot 10y ago
    > What alternative reality do you live in? A short unsubstantiated single sentence-fragment from an unnamed, untitled support employee on a random fucking forum is not a "precise statement". Ahhh, the anti-conspiracy theorist who doesn't want to see a spade in front of him. You have an employee at a company who has given a very short, to-the-point, precise reason as to why they can't do something. This hasn't been through an edit filter, been past lawyers or anyone else who has seen this as a problem. It's an honest statement that they probably didn't think would blow up into anything major. > But the company issues AN ACTUAL PRESS RELEASE describing the technical reasoning... and you're just willing to completely dismiss and ignore that? They're not going to admit that they couldn't do this because they had an agreement with Microsoft in an 'official' statement are they, you idiot? > What the "buggy, fake drivers" are you talking about? Just making shit up now? You haven't the faintest idea what they are talking about. 'Fake RAID' drivers (do try reading) are well known to be incredibly buggy because the RAID implementation is not in software in the OS or in hardware, it's shoehorned into the driver. The are not well tested or well maintained. Linux doesn't have these drivers....because it just doesn't need them. It already has a perfectly good RAID implementation of its own. > Are you REALLY contending that the NVMe devices don't work better under RAID mode, despite the fact that it's a widely researched and accepted fact with whitepaper to boot? What a load of utter dogshit. Single disk systems are run under AHCI for very good practical reasons. If you have multiple disks, then you can go ahead and look at various RAID implementations. I also wish people luck if they ever want to image their disk for recovery or try and read it in any other system. > Please stop, this is embarrassing. Go troll somewhere else. No, you're embarrassing yourself because you haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about and obviously haven't read what's been written.
farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Adverb..... Bloody auto-complete.....