> When OWS takes this work on they're giving a tacit Moxie stamp of approval to the implementation Which is completely irrelevant for any mainstream messaging

> When OWS takes this work on they're giving a tacit Moxie stamp of approval to the implementation Which is completely irrelevant for any mainstream messaging app OWS has collaborated with. No “normal” person on this planet that uses these apps knows or cares about who Moxie is. > tldr; History tells me not to trust these companies motives in the long term, and I don't see why Moxie should either. I doubt he does, but his goal with all this is to end passive mass surveillance, and he obviously thinks this is the best shot. I mean, Signal the app is certainly not going to become a significant player in this space, so we can debate if he's doing the right thing but I can totally see the how he can justify it even if he doesn't really trust them.