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Wow. Man, come on. The disturbing level of contempt is almost the sole property of the "Linux == Freedom" crowd. I mean seriously, the level of outrage about s

Wow. Man, come on. The disturbing level of contempt is almost the sole property of the "Linux == Freedom" crowd. I mean seriously, the level of outrage about systemd alone is off the rails. Bring up Microsoft and I'm somehow complicit in oppressing people because I use their software? (But somehow the rare earth minerals in devices and the contributions to modern electronics of the defense budget don't somehow make us all culpable of far more. I mean, yeah the GPS in my phone was built for the military but how dare you not give me a compiler!) I used to be such a hard core Linux fan when I was younger. Man I hope I wasn't as breathlessly shrill as the people I'm seeing today. There is so much wrong with the world that people complaining about this really make me think that we are all so isolated in our little worlds...

pdkl95 10y ago
> The disturbing level of contempt is almost the sole property of the "Linux == Freedom" crowd. That's patently incorrect and you know it. FYI: You're showing that kind of contempt right now. My point isn't even related strongly to Free Software; it was an observation that a lot of people don't like early warning systems, which is bad for security. Shooting the messenger when they bring a warning of a possible threat is a terrible idea if you want to continue to receive warning messages. Deciding if that was the goal for some people is left as an exercise to the reader. > I mean seriously, the level of outrage about systemd alone is off the rails. Off topic and irrelevant, though if you actually read the real, substantive complaints against systemd they tend to focus on forced upgrades from unnecessary tight integration between components and disruption of working code. The contempt in these arguments is usually from the people that try to shut down any discussion that isn't blindly accepting systemd. > Bring up Microsoft and I'm somehow complicit in oppressing people because I use their software? I never said anything of the sort. Pretending to be a victim is unbecoming. > [stuff about rare earth minerals, the defense budget, GPS] If there is a point to this word salad, I am not parsing it. It seems off topic? > I used to be such a hard core Linux fan when I was younger. Some of us still believe it's a bad idea to sacrifice your principles for convenience and a few shiny baubles. > people complaining about this really make me think that we are all so isolated in our little worlds The future will be shaped by those that control computation and the internet. This means defending computation and communication that isn't controlled by one entity is one of the most important tasks of this generation. In the future, everything is a computer. Some of us think it's important to fight for freedom now, before that happens, because the problem is only going to get harder. If you've given up that fight, that's fine. Just please stand aside because other people are still trying to fight for a free and open future.
- minikites 10y ago
  >If there is a point to this word salad, I am not parsing it. It seems off topic? The point I took from this is that people who believe they're fighting for freedom in and through software only care about freedom for rich (in a global measure) people who live in developed nations and are happy to ignore the much larger quantity of people worldwide who live under far more restrictive and harsh circumstances.
  - youdontknowtho 10y ago
    That's pretty much exactly it. Thanks for that.
    - pdkl95 10y ago
      re: the interpretation That's a very presumptuous statement.
- youdontknowtho 10y ago
  Some of us believe its a bad idea to sacrifice your principles... You don't know me friend. That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly. Your last line reads like some manifesto from the 90's. it's naïve in the extreme. The future will be controlled with force. Just like the past. How do you think the materials that make the computers are mined, extracted, and turned into the parts that make your shiny toy? Force. The idea that you are a freedom fighter is so laughable. Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling.
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    > That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly That's your claim, not mine. > Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling. Ok, I'm done with you. You're either trolling or simply a naive apologist. Either way, I have better uses for my time.

pdkl95 10y ago

> The disturbing level of contempt is almost the sole property of the "Linux == Freedom" crowd. That's patently incorrect and you know it. FYI: You're showing that kind of contempt right now. My point isn't even related strongly to Free Software; it was an observation that a lot of people don't like early warning systems, which is bad for security. Shooting the messenger when they bring a warning of a possible threat is a terrible idea if you want to continue to receive warning messages. Deciding if that was the goal for some people is left as an exercise to the reader. > I mean seriously, the level of outrage about systemd alone is off the rails. Off topic and irrelevant, though if you actually read the real, substantive complaints against systemd they tend to focus on forced upgrades from unnecessary tight integration between components and disruption of working code. The contempt in these arguments is usually from the people that try to shut down any discussion that isn't blindly accepting systemd. > Bring up Microsoft and I'm somehow complicit in oppressing people because I use their software? I never said anything of the sort. Pretending to be a victim is unbecoming. > [stuff about rare earth minerals, the defense budget, GPS] If there is a point to this word salad, I am not parsing it. It seems off topic? > I used to be such a hard core Linux fan when I was younger. Some of us still believe it's a bad idea to sacrifice your principles for convenience and a few shiny baubles. > people complaining about this really make me think that we are all so isolated in our little worlds The future will be shaped by those that control computation and the internet. This means defending computation and communication that isn't controlled by one entity is one of the most important tasks of this generation. In the future, everything is a computer. Some of us think it's important to fight for freedom now, before that happens, because the problem is only going to get harder. If you've given up that fight, that's fine. Just please stand aside because other people are still trying to fight for a free and open future.

minikites 10y ago
>If there is a point to this word salad, I am not parsing it. It seems off topic? The point I took from this is that people who believe they're fighting for freedom in and through software only care about freedom for rich (in a global measure) people who live in developed nations and are happy to ignore the much larger quantity of people worldwide who live under far more restrictive and harsh circumstances.
- youdontknowtho 10y ago
  That's pretty much exactly it. Thanks for that.
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    re: the interpretation That's a very presumptuous statement.
youdontknowtho 10y ago
Some of us believe its a bad idea to sacrifice your principles... You don't know me friend. That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly. Your last line reads like some manifesto from the 90's. it's naïve in the extreme. The future will be controlled with force. Just like the past. How do you think the materials that make the computers are mined, extracted, and turned into the parts that make your shiny toy? Force. The idea that you are a freedom fighter is so laughable. Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling.
- pdkl95 10y ago
  > That's not the kind of thing that I would ever say to someone lightly That's your claim, not mine. > Jesus Christ, that's so pathetic that I'm having a hard time thinking that you aren't trolling. Ok, I'm done with you. You're either trolling or simply a naive apologist. Either way, I have better uses for my time.