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Not all propaganda posters were about destructing free will, some of them were also for improving the social status quo. Example: "I will be a chemist" - USRR,
by realusername 10y ago
Not all propaganda posters were about destructing free will, some of them were also for improving the social status quo. Example: "I will be a chemist" - USRR, 1964 - http://i.imgur.com/DTMN0MY.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DTMN0MY.jpg.
And I don't compare labour camps with advertising.
I compare governments ads "work harder for your country" and private ads "you look ugly, you should buy some of our makeup". Private ads are all about destroying free will too, that's exactly their point.
- djschnei 10y agoThey were so lucky to have a government that allowed them to become chemists.
- jhbadger 10y agoSeriously, though, talk to some Soviet-era scientists. It was a good gig. You might of course bring up Academician Sakharov. But his dissodence was actually a result of the high status scientists had in the USSR. He thought his status would shield him from his critiques of the government.
- djschnei 10y agoI guess you missed my point. I'm sure the chemists had a good time.
- djschnei 10y agoUntil companies can walk around with guns or threaten you with imprisonment for not paying their fees or "enjoying" their products, the two are nothing alike. Advertising doesn't use physical force.
- the_af 10y agoI don't think the "I will be a chemist" Soviet ad used physical force either.
- Frondo 10y agoJust responding to this dreary trope: if you don't pay taxes, under ordinary circumstances, you won't be imprisoned. Your paycheck will be likely garnished or some of your assets taken to cover your tax debt. For tax evasion to enter the realm of "now you're going to jail" (like Wesley Snipes) you've got to do a lot more than simply fail to write the gubmint a check.
- djschnei 10y agoYou just proved my point... that's force and coercion. "They don't shoot you, they just steal or money!"
- Frondo 10y agoWhatever tax you owe isn't your money. It's the government's money, and by refusing to pay it, you're stealing from the rest of us. That's the government enforcing our property rights when it uses force to reclaim what's ours.
- djschnei 10y agoOh, so they have claim to a percentage of my labor? without my consent? That sounds like something...
- aperrien 10y agoIf you don't want to consent to paying for the benefits of living in a particular society, then don't be part of that society.
- djschnei 10y ago"Don't like police brutality? Just move!"
- Frondo 10y agoYour parents/legal guardians consented for you when you were a minor and could not make such an agreement. When you reached the age of majority, you gave consent by continuing to live here. (And if you think consent requires words, and not merely actions, try wordlessly walking out of a convenience store with a package of slim jims you didn't pay for.)