Fair enough, I certainly don't want any government programs to come out of this discussion. I kind of doubt he meant collective in that we need a collective sol

Fair enough, I certainly don't want any government programs to come out of this discussion. I kind of doubt he meant collective in that we need a collective solution. He meant collective in the sense of it captures the times. He's right. At least I hope that's what he meant as collective solutions aren't called for here. Thoughtful thinking and discussion are called for online, please. I like online.