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Google's business is based on destroying what you and I consider to be privacy, so I don't see how you could expect them to change their minds about that. Goog

Google's business is based on destroying what you and I consider to be privacy, so I don't see how you could expect them to change their minds about that. Google and similar companies have a coherent worldview in which they collect user data, protect it from outsiders and inside threats, and do benign and wonderful things for users in return. Within that worldview, they do an excellent and commendable job. Calling their beliefs on data collection a security issue muddies the debate. I'm curious about your comments on Apple. If I back up my phone to iCloud, how can Apple "MITM any time they want"?

zeveb 10y ago
> I'm curious about your comments on Apple. If I back up my phone to iCloud, how can Apple "MITM any time they want"? I was referring to iMessage: my understanding is that it Apple is the CA for all iMessage keys, and thus they can issue a certificate to anyone, if they wish to or are compelled to.
- giovannibajo1 10y ago
  Theoretically, just like they could prepare a broken version of iOS that disables security and push it to targeted users. In reality, such a software/infrastructure does not exist today, and we've been shown what happens when Apple is asked to write it.