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I don't get your sarcasm. It's free, what is there to buy?! I have been using it for roughly 12 hours and, as I said, it's kind of underwhelming in terms of new

I don't get your sarcasm. It's free, what is there to buy?! I have been using it for roughly 12 hours and, as I said, it's kind of underwhelming in terms of new features. It's not "bad" in any way, it just doesn't feel fresh or more powerful unless you are longing for iOS features on a desktop OS.

nicky0 10y ago
> It's free, what is there to buy?! Yes, that was my point. The idea was to poke fun at your expressed disappointment at this free update. However, I forgot that to attempt sarcasm on the internet is never a good idea. And that also my comment was poor contribution either way. Sorry.
zer0defex 10y ago
As a fellow Apple power user, I share your sentiment regarding the sarcasm. It seems like a change happened in the past few years that to love something, means to love it unconditionally, to the point that you must be blind to it's weaknesses and flaws. Blind to the point that to acknowledge them or, gasp, speak of them, is sacrilege. That's a movement I simply can't buy into. How can anything improve if it can't even acknowledge and be honest with itself about what it's weaknesses and failings are? Introspection isn't always pleasant, but it's quite often the path toward becoming something better.
- nicky0 10y ago
  The irony is that if Apple had simply said "there will be no update this year", people would probably say "fine, the current OS is good enough for now". But when they do make an fairly small update, it is "disappointing" because it didn't add much. It's neophilia - always wanting "new stuff" for its own sake, even though what we have is pretty good. A useful criticism would point out exactly what desired additions or changes were missing from the update. However, I'm mainly seeing a lot of general disappointment vaguely around "lack of newness".
  - zer0defex 10y ago
    No, I wouldn't say it's fine and haven't been - my HN comment history will attest to that. OSX is showing it's age more and more every year. Yosemite. El Capitan. Sierra. You may as well have labeled them iOS integration package 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2. I have to install at minimum 10+ 3rd-party apps on a clean OSX install just to reach baseline feature parity with other modern operating systems these days.
    - akie 10y ago
      Which 10 apps would that be, if I may ask??
      - zer0defex 10y ago
        This is the entire list from my last install: http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi The base apps I almost always start with are: - Moom (advanced window management) - Hyperdock (window previews when hovering over dock apps) - Amphetamine (stop mac from sleeping) - Alfred (app launcher on steroids) - FormatMatch (fast toggle copy/paste behavior to include or not text formatting) - TotalTerminal (drop-down terminal like Quake's console) - TotalFinder (dual-pane functionality in Finder) - Radio Silence (simple outgoing app firewall, less annoying than Little Snitch) - 1Password (everything OSX's keychain should be) - Parallels (virtualization, it's still a Windows world)
    - dstroot 10y ago
      I install Chrome, Keepingyouawake, spectacle, f/Lux, littlesnitch, MSOffice, atom, iterm2, Xcode and a few others. Many are either done via homebrew or the App Store. Be cool to have a new thread for people's "must have" apps.
      - zer0defex 10y ago
        Sure, here's the entire list from my last clean install: http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi
pjmlp 10y ago
> It's free, what is there to buy? A new Mac for those on an unsupported one.

nicky0 10y ago

> It's free, what is there to buy?! Yes, that was my point. The idea was to poke fun at your expressed disappointment at this free update. However, I forgot that to attempt sarcasm on the internet is never a good idea. And that also my comment was poor contribution either way. Sorry.

zer0defex 10y ago

As a fellow Apple power user, I share your sentiment regarding the sarcasm. It seems like a change happened in the past few years that to love something, means to love it unconditionally, to the point that you must be blind to it's weaknesses and flaws. Blind to the point that to acknowledge them or, gasp, speak of them, is sacrilege. That's a movement I simply can't buy into. How can anything improve if it can't even acknowledge and be honest with itself about what it's weaknesses and failings are? Introspection isn't always pleasant, but it's quite often the path toward becoming something better.

nicky0 10y ago
The irony is that if Apple had simply said "there will be no update this year", people would probably say "fine, the current OS is good enough for now". But when they do make an fairly small update, it is "disappointing" because it didn't add much. It's neophilia - always wanting "new stuff" for its own sake, even though what we have is pretty good. A useful criticism would point out exactly what desired additions or changes were missing from the update. However, I'm mainly seeing a lot of general disappointment vaguely around "lack of newness".
- zer0defex 10y ago
  No, I wouldn't say it's fine and haven't been - my HN comment history will attest to that. OSX is showing it's age more and more every year. Yosemite. El Capitan. Sierra. You may as well have labeled them iOS integration package 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2. I have to install at minimum 10+ 3rd-party apps on a clean OSX install just to reach baseline feature parity with other modern operating systems these days.
  - akie 10y ago
    Which 10 apps would that be, if I may ask??
    - zer0defex 10y ago
      This is the entire list from my last install: http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi The base apps I almost always start with are: - Moom (advanced window management) - Hyperdock (window previews when hovering over dock apps) - Amphetamine (stop mac from sleeping) - Alfred (app launcher on steroids) - FormatMatch (fast toggle copy/paste behavior to include or not text formatting) - TotalTerminal (drop-down terminal like Quake's console) - TotalFinder (dual-pane functionality in Finder) - Radio Silence (simple outgoing app firewall, less annoying than Little Snitch) - 1Password (everything OSX's keychain should be) - Parallels (virtualization, it's still a Windows world)
  - dstroot 10y ago
    I install Chrome, Keepingyouawake, spectacle, f/Lux, littlesnitch, MSOffice, atom, iterm2, Xcode and a few others. Many are either done via homebrew or the App Store. Be cool to have a new thread for people's "must have" apps.
    - zer0defex 10y ago
      Sure, here's the entire list from my last clean install: http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi http://pastebin.com/raw/hrYYMJPi

pjmlp 10y ago

> It's free, what is there to buy? A new Mac for those on an unsupported one.