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I don't agree, before even reaching the middle of S01 it was pretty obvious that what "twist" will be in the end. (Obv. hiding for spoilers)

enraged_camel 10y ago
Yeah, not only that but it was also very unoriginal. Straight up lifted from two particular movies in fact.
- Retr0spectrum 10y ago
  There were also references to at least one of the "source" movies. It was very deliberate.
- danso 10y ago
  But it's a sideshow, the show even plays the same music as a homage. To me what makes it tolerable is that it accepts the twist as a matter of course and jumps right into other interesting plots, including whatever the fuck is going to happen tonight.
  - enraged_camel 10y ago
    I understand it was a homage. It just didn't make sense to do it as the main twist. I mean, if you're making a movie about an island zoo of dinosaurs, it's OK to pay homage to Jurassic Park using dialogue or the composition of a specific scene. But if the main plot of your movie turns out to be about dinosaurs escaping their zoo... well, that becomes a bit too much, in my opinion.
    - danso 10y ago
      We'll have to see after tonight's episode, in which the episode seems likely to break in such a way that makes the first season twist look weak in comparison. I'm eager to see how the writing goes, but I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed as I was with how BSG went off the rails.
Retr0spectrum 10y ago
There were some very strong hints about the twist in S01, I'm pretty sure we were meant to know. The S02 "twist" was much less obvious though IMHO. Despite reading theories about it on reddit before the reveal, I still didn't quite believe them.
agentgt 10y ago
If it is the twist I think it is that twist is purposely obvious (I hope your not thinking your smarter than the show because of that). I mean that twist happens fairly early. S02 has far more truly hidden twists. I mean even in Ex Machina I had some rough idea of what was going to happen in the end but that doesn't make it a bad movie.
- romanovcode 10y ago
  Well, OK you've sold me. Gonna watch S02 and rethink my opinion about the show.
  - dllthomas 10y ago
    It starts slow, but picks up.
  - danielsamuels 10y ago
    Season finale is tonight in the US, so it's good timing if you want to binge watch the whole thing.
  - NetStrikeForce 10y ago
    Do it. I was so disappointed at the end of S01 that I delayed starting S02... Which was a blessing, so I could binge watch the first 7 episodes :) S02 has been so much better than S01.
mdrzn 10y ago
You have no idea how it evolve in S02. It's so much more than you can imagine.
yaur 10y ago
FWIW what the shows creators have to say about that: > I actually wanted the audience to be a little ahead of Elliot on that. And we were telegraphing it intentionally, to the point that people thought it was a misdirect. That said I was somewhat irritated when I realized that the twist, along with the main plot arc were lifted from the same movie, which is also referenced almost explicitly in a couple of episodes.
- dllthomas 10y ago
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  - mcguire 10y ago
    I find it disturbing that Google can't do rot13.
    - JD557 10y ago
      DDG seems to handle it just fine if you add "rot13" to your query, though :) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rot13+V+yvxr+ubj+gurl+syng+hc+gbyq+hf+sebz+gur+irel+ortvaavat+gung+Ryyvbg+jnf+haeryvnoyr.+%22Rivypbec%22+orvat+n+%22fznyy+npg+bs+frys-ulcabfvf%22+be+ubjrire+vg+jnf+jbeqrq.&t=ffab&ia=answer https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rot13+V+yvxr+ubj+gurl+syng+hc+gbyq...
      - dllthomas 10y ago
        I've got a key bound to run commands against my clipboard. Super convenient for this kind of thing.
3chelon 10y ago
IIRC, Elliot at one point acknowledges that the viewer already knew what was coming. But the twist is Season 2 is much, much harder to spot. Reminded me of Life of Pi.
- runevault 10y ago
  If you mean the twist I think you do about his "schedule" that was figured out in episode 1.
WickyNilliams 10y ago
It was supposed to be obvious, I think. Dramatic irony. Elliott even calls you (the viewer) out on it in the first episode of season 2. He says he doesn't trust you anymore because you didn't tell him something you knew. I love how they handled it with the cheeky nod

enraged_camel 10y ago

Yeah, not only that but it was also very unoriginal. Straight up lifted from two particular movies in fact.

Retr0spectrum 10y ago
There were also references to at least one of the "source" movies. It was very deliberate.
danso 10y ago
But it's a sideshow, the show even plays the same music as a homage. To me what makes it tolerable is that it accepts the twist as a matter of course and jumps right into other interesting plots, including whatever the fuck is going to happen tonight.
- enraged_camel 10y ago
  I understand it was a homage. It just didn't make sense to do it as the main twist. I mean, if you're making a movie about an island zoo of dinosaurs, it's OK to pay homage to Jurassic Park using dialogue or the composition of a specific scene. But if the main plot of your movie turns out to be about dinosaurs escaping their zoo... well, that becomes a bit too much, in my opinion.
  - danso 10y ago
    We'll have to see after tonight's episode, in which the episode seems likely to break in such a way that makes the first season twist look weak in comparison. I'm eager to see how the writing goes, but I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed as I was with how BSG went off the rails.

Retr0spectrum 10y ago

There were some very strong hints about the twist in S01, I'm pretty sure we were meant to know. The S02 "twist" was much less obvious though IMHO. Despite reading theories about it on reddit before the reveal, I still didn't quite believe them.

agentgt 10y ago

If it is the twist I think it is that twist is purposely obvious (I hope your not thinking your smarter than the show because of that). I mean that twist happens fairly early. S02 has far more truly hidden twists. I mean even in Ex Machina I had some rough idea of what was going to happen in the end but that doesn't make it a bad movie.

romanovcode 10y ago
Well, OK you've sold me. Gonna watch S02 and rethink my opinion about the show.
- dllthomas 10y ago
  It starts slow, but picks up.
- danielsamuels 10y ago
  Season finale is tonight in the US, so it's good timing if you want to binge watch the whole thing.
- NetStrikeForce 10y ago
  Do it. I was so disappointed at the end of S01 that I delayed starting S02... Which was a blessing, so I could binge watch the first 7 episodes :) S02 has been so much better than S01.

mdrzn 10y ago

You have no idea how it evolve in S02. It's so much more than you can imagine.

yaur 10y ago

FWIW what the shows creators have to say about that: > I actually wanted the audience to be a little ahead of Elliot on that. And we were telegraphing it intentionally, to the point that people thought it was a misdirect. That said I was somewhat irritated when I realized that the twist, along with the main plot arc were lifted from the same movie, which is also referenced almost explicitly in a couple of episodes.

dllthomas 10y ago
V yvxr ubj gurl syng hc gbyq hf sebz gur irel ortvaavat gung Ryyvbg jnf haeryvnoyr. "Rivypbec" orvat n "fznyy npg bs frys-ulcabfvf" be ubjrire vg jnf jbeqrq.
- mcguire 10y ago
  I find it disturbing that Google can't do rot13.
  - JD557 10y ago
    DDG seems to handle it just fine if you add "rot13" to your query, though :) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rot13+V+yvxr+ubj+gurl+syng+hc+gbyq+hf+sebz+gur+irel+ortvaavat+gung+Ryyvbg+jnf+haeryvnoyr.+%22Rivypbec%22+orvat+n+%22fznyy+npg+bs+frys-ulcabfvf%22+be+ubjrire+vg+jnf+jbeqrq.&t=ffab&ia=answer https://duckduckgo.com/?q=rot13+V+yvxr+ubj+gurl+syng+hc+gbyq...
    - dllthomas 10y ago
      I've got a key bound to run commands against my clipboard. Super convenient for this kind of thing.

3chelon 10y ago

IIRC, Elliot at one point acknowledges that the viewer already knew what was coming. But the twist is Season 2 is much, much harder to spot. Reminded me of Life of Pi.

runevault 10y ago
If you mean the twist I think you do about his "schedule" that was figured out in episode 1.

WickyNilliams 10y ago

It was supposed to be obvious, I think. Dramatic irony. Elliott even calls you (the viewer) out on it in the first episode of season 2. He says he doesn't trust you anymore because you didn't tell him something you knew. I love how they handled it with the cheeky nod