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Please do not use Telegram. It' closed source and uses some half-baked crypto. Signal is open source and is actually end-to-end encrypted.

romanovcode 10y ago
Exactly. Not to mention if it becomes popular it will get sold to megacorp in a heartbeat.
watwatwatwat 10y ago
I'll give signal another try, last time I couldn't register.
unicornporn 10y ago
Wire[1] is also an excellent option. Unlike Open Whisper Systems they wont hang you from a tree for building a third party app. Signal wont work without Gapps or Google Play Services on your Android phone and Google Chrome for desktop. [1] https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/
- tdkl 10y ago
  I tried Wire after this WhatsApp news came out initially and brought about 10 people (friends/family) to it. They're satisfied how it works.
- codethief 10y ago
  Signal does work with MicroG (https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/), an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    But that still requires using the Google Play Services library in the Signal APK, still doing analytics.
bwindels 10y ago
No windows phone client :-(
lmm 10y ago
Signal is pseudo-open-source but will not allow you to use it except via the closed-source google play services, so I still wouldn't have confidence in it.
- glogla 10y ago
  Yes. Also, on what payroll is Moxie now? He was working with Facebook on WhatsApp and then worked with Google on their new messaging app.
- codethief 10y ago
  This is incorrect. There is an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services (https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/) and Signal works beautifully with it.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    So the Signal APK does NOT depend on the Google Cloud Messaging library anymore, which pulls in 40k LOC of analytics?
  - claudius 10y ago
    And wherefrom can you get Signal except for the Google Play store? I was looking for it a while ago to install on my phone but only found two other projects which were threatened by moxie and then shut down.
    - aorth 10y ago
      I compile my own binaries. Not too bad actually.
reitanqild 10y ago
A lot of people here use twitter. Why must things be provably sure to have any value?
eggie 10y ago
Telegrams clients (and the e2e encryption) are open source. For instance: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram Curious if you know why the crypto is half-baked. Has it been broken? edit: found Signal server, I think: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server Nice it's out there. This will help Signal live a long time.

romanovcode 10y ago

Exactly. Not to mention if it becomes popular it will get sold to megacorp in a heartbeat.

watwatwatwat 10y ago

I'll give signal another try, last time I couldn't register.

unicornporn 10y ago

Wire[1] is also an excellent option. Unlike Open Whisper Systems they wont hang you from a tree for building a third party app. Signal wont work without Gapps or Google Play Services on your Android phone and Google Chrome for desktop. [1] https://wire.com/ https://wire.com/

tdkl 10y ago
I tried Wire after this WhatsApp news came out initially and brought about 10 people (friends/family) to it. They're satisfied how it works.
codethief 10y ago
Signal does work with MicroG (https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/), an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services.
- kuschku 10y ago
  But that still requires using the Google Play Services library in the Signal APK, still doing analytics.

bwindels 10y ago

No windows phone client :-(

lmm 10y ago

Signal is pseudo-open-source but will not allow you to use it except via the closed-source google play services, so I still wouldn't have confidence in it.

glogla 10y ago
Yes. Also, on what payroll is Moxie now? He was working with Facebook on WhatsApp and then worked with Google on their new messaging app.
codethief 10y ago
This is incorrect. There is an open source reimplementation of Google Play Services (https://microg.org/ https://microg.org/) and Signal works beautifully with it.
- kuschku 10y ago
  So the Signal APK does NOT depend on the Google Cloud Messaging library anymore, which pulls in 40k LOC of analytics?
- claudius 10y ago
  And wherefrom can you get Signal except for the Google Play store? I was looking for it a while ago to install on my phone but only found two other projects which were threatened by moxie and then shut down.
  - aorth 10y ago
    I compile my own binaries. Not too bad actually.

reitanqild 10y ago

A lot of people here use twitter. Why must things be provably sure to have any value?

eggie 10y ago

Telegrams clients (and the e2e encryption) are open source. For instance: https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram Curious if you know why the crypto is half-baked. Has it been broken? edit: found Signal server, I think: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Server Nice it's out there. This will help Signal live a long time.