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Wow.. This dude.. I've tested a couple of the mentioned drugs myself and thought i'd chip in with my results and learnings Modafinil/Armodafinil Definitely w

Wow.. This dude.. I've tested a couple of the mentioned drugs myself and thought i'd chip in with my results and learnings Modafinil/Armodafinil Definitely works and the side effects are neglectable. It's much as he describes it but im not sure why he can't feel it some of the time as the effect on me is really strong, especially with armodafinil which was almost too much to be hanging around other people :) You feel very awake like a mild cocaine high but have an easy time focusing on the task you are doing, i can definitely recommend it for all nighters and situations where you have to get something out the door ! Melatonin I've experienced quite a bit with this, since i have really really hard time falling asleep. It's actually a huge issue for me. i've found that "microdosing" works even better than taking the "normal dose" of 2-3mg. I found a supplier in the Netherlands who sells 300ug pills and they have worked wonders for me ! works just as well as the stronger dose but it seems that the lower dose makes you sleep better. Just my 2 cents :)

imagist 10y ago
> i've found that "microdosing" works even better than taking the "normal dose" of 2-3mg. I found a supplier in the Netherlands who sells 300ug pills and they have worked wonders for me ! works just as well as the stronger dose but it seems that the lower dose makes you sleep better. You're not alone in this; in fact, I think it's pretty widely accepted among melatonin users that "<1mg doses work better" is just fact. The 2-3 mg dosage contained by most available supplements seems to be motivated by a misguided belief that more melatonin is more effective, in opposition to all the evidence that I've seen.
zebraflask 10y ago
Agreed on the smaller doses of melatonin. A full tablet (5 or 10mg) tends to have the opposite effect and make me even wider awake after an hour or so of sleepiness. Someone told me once that most tablets are dosed too strong simply because it's an inexpensive supplement, and in the manufacturing process, it's cheaper to use the production templates used for other supplements that are dosed in higher amounts.
- Obi_Juan_Kenobi 10y ago
  Not sure that makes much sense; tablets are mostly a binding agent that's mixed with a fairly small amount of active ingredient. In most cases, you simply have to change the ratio of binder to achieve the desired dose. Even a 10mg tablet would be very small indeed. More likely it's demand from people that generally think 'more = better'.
  - zebraflask 10y ago
    It's the cost to change the factory line processes. If you're set to pump out 10mg tablets, and it's cheaper to just use more product than recalibrate your machines, then . . . there you go.
secoif 10y ago
My experience with melatonin: If I take the normal dose of >3mg, I'll experience incredible irritability the following day. I become sensitive to sound and anything that isn't entirely perfect. Things make me feel unreasonably furious. This is bad. These days I always microdose melatonin. If I don't fall asleep with the first tiredness crash that happens 20-30 minutes after taking melatonin, I find myself restless and unable to sleep for another 4 or 5 hours. The more melatonin I take, the more intense the initial crash will be, but the harder it is to sleep if I miss that crash.

imagist 10y ago

> i've found that "microdosing" works even better than taking the "normal dose" of 2-3mg. I found a supplier in the Netherlands who sells 300ug pills and they have worked wonders for me ! works just as well as the stronger dose but it seems that the lower dose makes you sleep better. You're not alone in this; in fact, I think it's pretty widely accepted among melatonin users that "<1mg doses work better" is just fact. The 2-3 mg dosage contained by most available supplements seems to be motivated by a misguided belief that more melatonin is more effective, in opposition to all the evidence that I've seen.

zebraflask 10y ago

Agreed on the smaller doses of melatonin. A full tablet (5 or 10mg) tends to have the opposite effect and make me even wider awake after an hour or so of sleepiness. Someone told me once that most tablets are dosed too strong simply because it's an inexpensive supplement, and in the manufacturing process, it's cheaper to use the production templates used for other supplements that are dosed in higher amounts.

Obi_Juan_Kenobi 10y ago
Not sure that makes much sense; tablets are mostly a binding agent that's mixed with a fairly small amount of active ingredient. In most cases, you simply have to change the ratio of binder to achieve the desired dose. Even a 10mg tablet would be very small indeed. More likely it's demand from people that generally think 'more = better'.
- zebraflask 10y ago
  It's the cost to change the factory line processes. If you're set to pump out 10mg tablets, and it's cheaper to just use more product than recalibrate your machines, then . . . there you go.

secoif 10y ago

My experience with melatonin: If I take the normal dose of >3mg, I'll experience incredible irritability the following day. I become sensitive to sound and anything that isn't entirely perfect. Things make me feel unreasonably furious. This is bad. These days I always microdose melatonin. If I don't fall asleep with the first tiredness crash that happens 20-30 minutes after taking melatonin, I find myself restless and unable to sleep for another 4 or 5 hours. The more melatonin I take, the more intense the initial crash will be, but the harder it is to sleep if I miss that crash.