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Here's Moxie's related press release on doing E2E for Allo: https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ Curious if he'll commen

by nxzero 10y ago

Here's Moxie's related press release on doing E2E for Allo: https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ https://whispersystems.org/blog/allo/ Curious if he'll comment on what happened: https://twitter.com/moxie https://twitter.com/moxie https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=moxie https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=moxie ___ If you don't know about Moxie, highly suggest learning more about him: https://thoughtcrime.org/ https://thoughtcrime.org/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moxie_Marlinspike

eps 10y ago
The best new friend of Facebook Moxie? His "trust us, we checked FB Messenger code and it's all good" pitch made for a very entertaining read.
- nxzero 10y ago
  Aware of that issue (asked moxie about it on HN) and other issues too, but it doesn't change that there's zero reason to believe Moxie's intent is malicious and it's a stretch by any means to claim his contributions are anything but positive in sum.
  - BostonEnginerd 10y ago
    I'm not sure why Moxie gets so much grief on some of these issues. To his credit, he's released just about everything under a free software license -- with reproducible builds and all. Ultimately, it's his baby and he can do what he wants with it.
    - nxzero 10y ago
      While speculation, Moxie's projects appear to have gotten (deservedly) a lot of attention, which brings a lot of feedback that's unfounded and potential malicious; for example, the f-droid comment about in my opinion fails to reflect both sides of the issue, and build security is VERY IMPORTANT and often ignored. I don't know Moxie, but we've exchange messages before and never got the sense that off the cuff he was discounting any feedback. At a very highly level we agree about what he's doing, though I get the sense that anonymity is something we don't exactly agree about, but do understand a little of why he feels the way he does.
- hydragit 10y ago
  Yes, moxie "knows it all" wants to control his apps so much he doesn't want them to be on f-droid https://f-droid.org/posts/security-notice-textsecure/ https://f-droid.org/posts/security-notice-textsecure/
  - nxzero 10y ago
    Do you feel f-droid's build security should be trusted, an if so, why? >> ""F-Droid has received criticism for distributing out-of-date versions of official applications and for its approach to application signing." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      > F-Droid has received criticism for distributing out-of-date versions of official applications Thats not a bug, it's a feature

by nxzero 10y ago

eps 10y ago

The best new friend of Facebook Moxie? His "trust us, we checked FB Messenger code and it's all good" pitch made for a very entertaining read.

nxzero 10y ago
Aware of that issue (asked moxie about it on HN) and other issues too, but it doesn't change that there's zero reason to believe Moxie's intent is malicious and it's a stretch by any means to claim his contributions are anything but positive in sum.
- BostonEnginerd 10y ago
  I'm not sure why Moxie gets so much grief on some of these issues. To his credit, he's released just about everything under a free software license -- with reproducible builds and all. Ultimately, it's his baby and he can do what he wants with it.
  - nxzero 10y ago
    While speculation, Moxie's projects appear to have gotten (deservedly) a lot of attention, which brings a lot of feedback that's unfounded and potential malicious; for example, the f-droid comment about in my opinion fails to reflect both sides of the issue, and build security is VERY IMPORTANT and often ignored. I don't know Moxie, but we've exchange messages before and never got the sense that off the cuff he was discounting any feedback. At a very highly level we agree about what he's doing, though I get the sense that anonymity is something we don't exactly agree about, but do understand a little of why he feels the way he does.
hydragit 10y ago
Yes, moxie "knows it all" wants to control his apps so much he doesn't want them to be on f-droid https://f-droid.org/posts/security-notice-textsecure/ https://f-droid.org/posts/security-notice-textsecure/
- nxzero 10y ago
  Do you feel f-droid's build security should be trusted, an if so, why? >> ""F-Droid has received criticism for distributing out-of-date versions of official applications and for its approach to application signing." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-Droid
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    > F-Droid has received criticism for distributing out-of-date versions of official applications Thats not a bug, it's a feature