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My takeaway on all that is Adobe CS: All of this can be yours for the low, low price of $700. No partial refunds for defective or useless software.

oscardelben 17y ago
I think you got downvoted because you're assuming that they're doing it on purpose just for maintaing the price tag, and you're comment seems to be more personal rather than objective, thus off-topic.
- invisible 17y ago
  I made another reply to bdr concerning the first point, but I do not see how personal vs objective is not relevant. They're creating an illusion that their software is better than (for example) Windows 7 by 4x if looking at the price. That is a pretty hefty thing to claim. (And that is only for one piece of the CS puzzle - not all 15 pieces.)
  - endlessvoid94 17y ago
    Have you used Adobe's product? I'd say it's worth many times what Windows 7 is worth. Not trying to put down the developers, I know a few from both camps. They're all brilliant.
    - invisible 17y ago
      Yes, and their development cycle for the CS products revolve around selling the next copy with features and fixes that should have been release freed or at least way less than $200 per product. I think the HYPE in this post without any juicy details whatsoever is disheartening to me. I think that an OS that has a kernel that has tons and tons of hardware communication, software interaction, thread processing, APIs, and allows other software like CS to run is a bit more complicated. The price does not reflect that, despite both being great products.
bdr 17y ago
It seems like you're saying CS is overpriced, but it's not clear how that's relevant.
- invisible 17y ago
  I guess you would think that if you only read the title of the HN article and the part pertaining to the iPhone capabilities. I was commenting on the hype surrounding CS that Adobe is perpetuating in that blog entry.
  - bdr 17y ago
    Still, your post was essentially "CS is overpriced", but more verbose. If you have some analysis of their pricing (and why it might be wrong), share it, but to just state your personal opinion like that is kind of pointless.
    - invisible 17y ago
      When is a valid opinion considered distasteful? They hardly mention ANY of the features that are new in CS5 and yet they are putting out a new product and hyping it up considerably (e.g. "In 3 short days, we will be launching what is arguably the most compelling release of Creative Suite to date. I don't want to spoil any surprises, but I feel this release is going to thrill designers and developers."). Maybe it will be great, but I've had buggy/dodgy experiences with all of the CS products through the years (non-hardware related), and pretty much all of them stay broken until they put out a major release. For example, Dreamweaver has 0 FTP threading capability. Also in Dreamweaver, you cannot drag-and-drop files to upload to the remote site. Dreamweaver also has some trouble when you drag-and-drop files to the local site with putting it in the right folder. There are just a ton of things I "put up with" when I have no viable option but to use them.
      - bdr 17y ago
        Not distasteful, but lacking information. People around here are very sensitive about the signal to noise ratio. (FWIW, I didn't downvote you.) This latest post has a little more effort put into it, and I think it probably would have fared better.

oscardelben 17y ago

I think you got downvoted because you're assuming that they're doing it on purpose just for maintaing the price tag, and you're comment seems to be more personal rather than objective, thus off-topic.

invisible 17y ago
I made another reply to bdr concerning the first point, but I do not see how personal vs objective is not relevant. They're creating an illusion that their software is better than (for example) Windows 7 by 4x if looking at the price. That is a pretty hefty thing to claim. (And that is only for one piece of the CS puzzle - not all 15 pieces.)
- endlessvoid94 17y ago
  Have you used Adobe's product? I'd say it's worth many times what Windows 7 is worth. Not trying to put down the developers, I know a few from both camps. They're all brilliant.
  - invisible 17y ago
    Yes, and their development cycle for the CS products revolve around selling the next copy with features and fixes that should have been release freed or at least way less than $200 per product. I think the HYPE in this post without any juicy details whatsoever is disheartening to me. I think that an OS that has a kernel that has tons and tons of hardware communication, software interaction, thread processing, APIs, and allows other software like CS to run is a bit more complicated. The price does not reflect that, despite both being great products.

bdr 17y ago

It seems like you're saying CS is overpriced, but it's not clear how that's relevant.

invisible 17y ago
I guess you would think that if you only read the title of the HN article and the part pertaining to the iPhone capabilities. I was commenting on the hype surrounding CS that Adobe is perpetuating in that blog entry.
- bdr 17y ago
  Still, your post was essentially "CS is overpriced", but more verbose. If you have some analysis of their pricing (and why it might be wrong), share it, but to just state your personal opinion like that is kind of pointless.
  - invisible 17y ago
    When is a valid opinion considered distasteful? They hardly mention ANY of the features that are new in CS5 and yet they are putting out a new product and hyping it up considerably (e.g. "In 3 short days, we will be launching what is arguably the most compelling release of Creative Suite to date. I don't want to spoil any surprises, but I feel this release is going to thrill designers and developers."). Maybe it will be great, but I've had buggy/dodgy experiences with all of the CS products through the years (non-hardware related), and pretty much all of them stay broken until they put out a major release. For example, Dreamweaver has 0 FTP threading capability. Also in Dreamweaver, you cannot drag-and-drop files to upload to the remote site. Dreamweaver also has some trouble when you drag-and-drop files to the local site with putting it in the right folder. There are just a ton of things I "put up with" when I have no viable option but to use them.
    - bdr 17y ago
      Not distasteful, but lacking information. People around here are very sensitive about the signal to noise ratio. (FWIW, I didn't downvote you.) This latest post has a little more effort put into it, and I think it probably would have fared better.