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I don't think being able to change the drive to AHCI mode would fix the problem. The BIOS (actually UEFI) "locking" and storage driver are two separate issues.

I don't think being able to change the drive to AHCI mode would fix the problem. The BIOS (actually UEFI) "locking" and storage driver are two separate issues. I mean, hell, if someone wants to send me one of these laptops I'll test it and do a full writeup. Of course Reddit has gone off without anyone actually confirming what the issue is. Microsoft would be smart to come out with a statement on this if it picks up any steam.

dTal 10y ago
I'll spell it out: a Lenovo representative said "This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft." This is what people are reacting to. Now, of course the rep might be mistaken. We need official clarification from someone higher up. But we won't get that until we go off on one and this goes viral.
- voltagex_ 10y ago
  Yes, but has anyone verified that? The person posting it even said they've booted a Linux installer - if it was "locked" at firmware level you wouldn't even be able to do that.
  - ctpide 10y ago
    I believe you don't need to be able to read/write to the hard drive when boot a linux installer (aka live CD).
  - tremon 10y ago
    What needs to be verified, and by whom? Right now we have one assertion, from a person claiming to be a Lenovo representative (an "expert" even), on a Lenovo-hosted forum. It is not up to the rest of the world to divine meaning from Lenovo's PR policy. If they are happy to allow nitwits to make public statements like that, they should be fully prepared to handle the fallout.
    - houseofzeus 10y ago
      The screenshot that particular quote comes from appears to be from a Best Buy review section not a Lenovo hosted site, so it's unclear whether the Lenovo Product Expert is even a Lenovo employee or just the Best Buy droid assigned to answering Qs for Lenovo products.
- DanBC 10y ago
  https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3380915#M8045 https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK... > Thank you for confirming it is still not possible to install Linux on Yoga 900-13ISK2 systems. > This issue has been escalated to the Development team. I am unable to offer a timeframe for fix at this stage in the investigation. With previous cases, BIOS fixes have been delivered anywhere from several weeks to several months. > I will post again when I have more information on the investigation.
Hydraulix989 10y ago
"I don't think being able to change the drive to AHCI mode would fix the problem." One user Bownairo confirmed that changing the drive to AHCI mode did fix the problem by allowing the drive to be recognized in Linux, after manually flashing a modded BIOS by soldering chip programming hardware: https://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey https://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey
- voltagex_ 10y ago
  Props to that guy going above and beyond. I wonder what it'll take to get Linux to see the drive in RAID mode.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    New kernel drivers from Intel, most likely. djpohly and the BIOS hackers deserve some credit too for their REing: https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-9... Conditional flag locking users out of the Advanced settings page (with the RAID settings) of the BIOS, as shown in disassembled code: https://lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/76843i7CD81FDBF9327A32/image-size/large?v=v2&px=999 https://lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/76843...
- rbanffy 10y ago
  I am quite sure requiring such extreme measures shouldn't count as "support".
2bitencryption 10y ago
/r/linux is the most ridiculously paranoid forum I've seen. You have to go there to see it for yourself. Imagine the way that HN is paranoid of the US government, but then double that and apply it to Microsoft, which makes even less sense. To them, MS is the boogeyman that will stop at nothing to prevent them from being the glorious 1% that doesn't use Windows. It's still the 90's on /r/linux, in many many ways.
- calgoo 10y ago
  Yea but sometimes you need a group of extreme people to offset the other extreme you get with locked bootloaders etc. Not saying they are always right, but I am happy we still have people around with 0 trust in MS.
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dTal 10y ago

I'll spell it out: a Lenovo representative said "This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft." This is what people are reacting to. Now, of course the rep might be mistaken. We need official clarification from someone higher up. But we won't get that until we go off on one and this goes viral.

voltagex_ 10y ago
Yes, but has anyone verified that? The person posting it even said they've booted a Linux installer - if it was "locked" at firmware level you wouldn't even be able to do that.
- ctpide 10y ago
  I believe you don't need to be able to read/write to the hard drive when boot a linux installer (aka live CD).
- tremon 10y ago
  What needs to be verified, and by whom? Right now we have one assertion, from a person claiming to be a Lenovo representative (an "expert" even), on a Lenovo-hosted forum. It is not up to the rest of the world to divine meaning from Lenovo's PR policy. If they are happy to allow nitwits to make public statements like that, they should be fully prepared to handle the fallout.
  - houseofzeus 10y ago
    The screenshot that particular quote comes from appears to be from a Best Buy review section not a Lenovo hosted site, so it's unclear whether the Lenovo Product Expert is even a Lenovo employee or just the Best Buy droid assigned to answering Qs for Lenovo products.
DanBC 10y ago
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK2-BIOS-update-for-setting-RAID-mode-for-missing/m-p/3380915#M8045 https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/Yoga-900-13ISK... > Thank you for confirming it is still not possible to install Linux on Yoga 900-13ISK2 systems. > This issue has been escalated to the Development team. I am unable to offer a timeframe for fix at this stage in the investigation. With previous cases, BIOS fixes have been delivered anywhere from several weeks to several months. > I will post again when I have more information on the investigation.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

"I don't think being able to change the drive to AHCI mode would fix the problem." One user Bownairo confirmed that changing the drive to AHCI mode did fix the problem by allowing the drive to be recognized in Linux, after manually flashing a modded BIOS by soldering chip programming hardware: https://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey https://imgur.com/a/ox4Ey

voltagex_ 10y ago
Props to that guy going above and beyond. I wonder what it'll take to get Linux to see the drive in RAID mode.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  New kernel drivers from Intel, most likely. djpohly and the BIOS hackers deserve some credit too for their REing: https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-900-BIOS-Unlock-AHCI-enable-attached-BIOS-fd https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Request-Lenovo-Yoga-9... Conditional flag locking users out of the Advanced settings page (with the RAID settings) of the BIOS, as shown in disassembled code: https://lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/76843i7CD81FDBF9327A32/image-size/large?v=v2&px=999 https://lnv.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/76843...
rbanffy 10y ago
I am quite sure requiring such extreme measures shouldn't count as "support".

2bitencryption 10y ago

/r/linux is the most ridiculously paranoid forum I've seen. You have to go there to see it for yourself. Imagine the way that HN is paranoid of the US government, but then double that and apply it to Microsoft, which makes even less sense. To them, MS is the boogeyman that will stop at nothing to prevent them from being the glorious 1% that doesn't use Windows. It's still the 90's on /r/linux, in many many ways.

calgoo 10y ago
Yea but sometimes you need a group of extreme people to offset the other extreme you get with locked bootloaders etc. Not saying they are always right, but I am happy we still have people around with 0 trust in MS.
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