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Google shut down XMPP support because none of the other large vendors were playing along. Because of how XMPP federation work, Microsoft could reach out to Goog

by kyrra 10y ago

Google shut down XMPP support because none of the other large vendors were playing along. Because of how XMPP federation work, Microsoft could reach out to Google for presence and other information about friends, but didn't need to return the favor (they were doing one way federation). So it allowed for a "better" experience using other companies XMPP networks. Edit: Source for my beliefs on the above: http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategies-views/betting-on-xmpp.aspx http://www.ucstrategies.com/unified-communications-strategie... Edit 2: removed Facebook as an offender. It was just Microsoft that was not sharing.

kuschku 10y ago
Facebook did provide XMPP service until the same time that Google ended it. So that’s definitely a wrong statement.
- wutbrodo 10y ago
  Are you thinking of client-to-server federation? Google didn't cancel support for that (and supports it to this day: I still use pidgin here and there to connect to GChat). That's not what this conversation is about: Google's cancellation of server-to-server federation. Facebook definitely didn't support that at the time that Google cancelled it, and to my recollection, never did (though I may be wrong).
  - shmerl 10y ago
    As far as I know Google didn't cancel server to server federation, but they refused to support encryption for it, and it's as good as cancelled, because most servers made it mandatory at some point. That's what caused all my contacts who use Google to disappear. Very annoying, and it's completely Google's fault. Anyway, the reason they left it to rot is because they abandoned XMPP for "greener pa$tures".
    - wutbrodo 10y ago
      The distinction between "cancelled" and "effectively cancelled" is sort of orthogonal to what we're talking about here.
- catdog 10y ago
  > Facebook did provide XMPP service until the same time that Google ended it. They never supported federation.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    They did support client-server federation, but not server-server federation.
    - catdog 10y ago
      Whats "client-server" federation? Only the fact that you are able to connect via an openly specified protocol or is there more to it?
      - kuschku 10y ago
        And that they properly handled protocol extensions, etc. Which in turn allowed you to use XMPP bridges, that pretended to be an XMPP client on one server, but were federated to another server.
shmerl 10y ago
> Google shut down XMPP support because none of the other large vendors were playing along. That's a lame excuse that Eric Schmidt produced for abandoning XMPP. The irony is, he should be blamed for the same thing he blamed others for.

by kyrra 10y ago

kuschku 10y ago

Facebook did provide XMPP service until the same time that Google ended it. So that’s definitely a wrong statement.

wutbrodo 10y ago
Are you thinking of client-to-server federation? Google didn't cancel support for that (and supports it to this day: I still use pidgin here and there to connect to GChat). That's not what this conversation is about: Google's cancellation of server-to-server federation. Facebook definitely didn't support that at the time that Google cancelled it, and to my recollection, never did (though I may be wrong).
- shmerl 10y ago
  As far as I know Google didn't cancel server to server federation, but they refused to support encryption for it, and it's as good as cancelled, because most servers made it mandatory at some point. That's what caused all my contacts who use Google to disappear. Very annoying, and it's completely Google's fault. Anyway, the reason they left it to rot is because they abandoned XMPP for "greener pa$tures".
  - wutbrodo 10y ago
    The distinction between "cancelled" and "effectively cancelled" is sort of orthogonal to what we're talking about here.
catdog 10y ago
> Facebook did provide XMPP service until the same time that Google ended it. They never supported federation.
- kuschku 10y ago
  They did support client-server federation, but not server-server federation.
  - catdog 10y ago
    Whats "client-server" federation? Only the fact that you are able to connect via an openly specified protocol or is there more to it?
    - kuschku 10y ago
      And that they properly handled protocol extensions, etc. Which in turn allowed you to use XMPP bridges, that pretended to be an XMPP client on one server, but were federated to another server.

shmerl 10y ago

> Google shut down XMPP support because none of the other large vendors were playing along. That's a lame excuse that Eric Schmidt produced for abandoning XMPP. The irony is, he should be blamed for the same thing he blamed others for.