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My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure who CouchDB is supposed to be for anymore. The original developers who fell in love with it are moving on. Who is the audience

by pokstad 10y ago

My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure who CouchDB is supposed to be for anymore. The original developers who fell in love with it are moving on. Who is the audience for 2.0? Who does IBM hope to reach with Cloudant? BTW, you are spot on about continuous replication. Try using continuous replication on Cloudant and you will end up with a fat bill.

willholley 10y ago
There are a lot of use cases, particularly around multi-region/DC master-master replication, where CouchDB/Cloudant is a great fit. IBM also offers MongoDB, RethinkDB, Postgres as managed services and the MVCC/conflict model in Couch is still a standout feature. The other use case I see a lot of is offline-capable apps backed by Couch replication-compatible datastores (PouchDB, Cloudant Sync, Couchbase Lite). Cloudant recently changed its pricing structure [1] (via IBM Bluemix) which should significantly reduce the cost of continuous replication - that may be worth a look if the current model is problematic. [1] https://developer.ibm.com/bluemix/2016/07/26/cloudant-public-improved-pricing-model/ https://developer.ibm.com/bluemix/2016/07/26/cloudant-public...
- pokstad 10y ago
  Interesting, this came out in July and Cloudant still hasn't updated their pricing structure on their site.
janl 10y ago
CouchDB and PouchDB helped with the Ebola outbreak last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLjWlWvCsc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLjWlWvCsc Of course there is loads more, but this is the stuff that keeps us devs going.
- k__ 10y ago
  But isn't this more of a PouchDB benefit? The whole offline-apps in the browser thing, I mean. Yes, the server probably runs CouchDB, but it could also be Cloudant or CouchBase etc. None of what is mentioned there is a USP of CouchDB itself.
  - janl 10y ago
    CouchDB is the only one of those that a non-profit could deploy at scale without paying loads of money for licenses or support.
    - fiatjaf 10y ago
      There's PouchDB Server also.
      - janl 10y ago
        That wasn't production ready at the time and I'd argue it still isn't.
Kequc 10y ago
Some environments push you toward using it, in the case of IBM for example. Their Bluemix offering is very powerful and fast, they have Cloudant running all over that thing. It becomes the best and fastest way to store files. That doesn't mean it's the best technology but it got me using it. It has been an enjoyable enough experience, not a lot of complaints. A better querying interface and the addition of an update operation would go a long way but those both seem to be included with this release. I might even prefer it.
Touche 10y ago
One thing that keeps me on CouchDB is Cloudant's pricing. It just destroys most of the competition. For example, the only RethinkDB hosting I know of is Compose and their pricing is $22/gb. Cloudant is $1/gb. https://www.compose.com/pricing#rethinkdb-pricing https://www.compose.com/pricing#rethinkdb-pricing

by pokstad 10y ago

willholley 10y ago

There are a lot of use cases, particularly around multi-region/DC master-master replication, where CouchDB/Cloudant is a great fit. IBM also offers MongoDB, RethinkDB, Postgres as managed services and the MVCC/conflict model in Couch is still a standout feature. The other use case I see a lot of is offline-capable apps backed by Couch replication-compatible datastores (PouchDB, Cloudant Sync, Couchbase Lite). Cloudant recently changed its pricing structure [1] (via IBM Bluemix) which should significantly reduce the cost of continuous replication - that may be worth a look if the current model is problematic. [1] https://developer.ibm.com/bluemix/2016/07/26/cloudant-public-improved-pricing-model/ https://developer.ibm.com/bluemix/2016/07/26/cloudant-public...

pokstad 10y ago
Interesting, this came out in July and Cloudant still hasn't updated their pricing structure on their site.

janl 10y ago

CouchDB and PouchDB helped with the Ebola outbreak last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLjWlWvCsc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLjWlWvCsc Of course there is loads more, but this is the stuff that keeps us devs going.

k__ 10y ago
But isn't this more of a PouchDB benefit? The whole offline-apps in the browser thing, I mean. Yes, the server probably runs CouchDB, but it could also be Cloudant or CouchBase etc. None of what is mentioned there is a USP of CouchDB itself.
- janl 10y ago
  CouchDB is the only one of those that a non-profit could deploy at scale without paying loads of money for licenses or support.
  - fiatjaf 10y ago
    There's PouchDB Server also.
    - janl 10y ago
      That wasn't production ready at the time and I'd argue it still isn't.

Kequc 10y ago

Some environments push you toward using it, in the case of IBM for example. Their Bluemix offering is very powerful and fast, they have Cloudant running all over that thing. It becomes the best and fastest way to store files. That doesn't mean it's the best technology but it got me using it. It has been an enjoyable enough experience, not a lot of complaints. A better querying interface and the addition of an update operation would go a long way but those both seem to be included with this release. I might even prefer it.

Touche 10y ago

One thing that keeps me on CouchDB is Cloudant's pricing. It just destroys most of the competition. For example, the only RethinkDB hosting I know of is Compose and their pricing is $22/gb. Cloudant is $1/gb. https://www.compose.com/pricing#rethinkdb-pricing https://www.compose.com/pricing#rethinkdb-pricing