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You have to compare the one death using autopilot to one death of people driving Teslas without autopilot. Musk tried to compare it against the universe of dri
by blazespin 10y ago
You have to compare the one death using autopilot to one death of people driving Teslas without autopilot. Musk tried to compare it against the universe of drivers (Teslas, kids driving crappy cars, etc), which was a complete false comparison.
So the reason it was a big deal is because it was a huge fatality. Tesla drivers are generally a pretty safe bunch. Statistically, if autopilot hadn't been engaged, that death would not have occurred. Autopilot makes Tesla drivers less safe, not more safe.
Also, the government is doing self driving industry a huge favor. These fatalities could screw over the whole industry if they get out of hand. Musk is giving self driving a bad name.
- Animats 10y agoTwo deaths using Tesla's autopilot. [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc0yYJ8-Dyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc0yYJ8-Dyo
- ekianjo 10y agoWhy was this not widely reported?
- jaxbot 10y agoLast I heard, nobody has been able to verify if the car was actually in autopilot mode. However, the emergency braking also clearly failed, if the police report that no attempt to stop was made is true.
- ekianjo 10y agoIn regard to safety its equally important to report doubtful cases as they may be a sign of something occuring.
- lisivka 10y agoIt's classical Single Point of Failure: single fault of just one subsystem leads to crash.
- kwhitefoot 10y agoSurely the car keeps a log?
- Animats 10y agoThe dash cam video was only released last week, in conjunction with a lawsuit. Now it's on all the mainstream news outlets, from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Times to Fox News. This is yet another "Tesla hit slow/stopped vehicle on left of expressway" accident. There are now three of those known, two with video, one fatal. Watch the video. The vehicle is tracking the lane very accurately. Either the driver is very attentive or the lane following system has control. Then, with no slowdown whatsoever, the vehicle plows into a stopped or slow-moving street sweeper. Here's one of the other crashes in that situation.[1] This was slower, so it wasn't lethal. There's another one where a Tesla on autopilot sideswiped a vehicle stopped at the left side of an expressway. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkx-4pFjus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkx-4pFjus
- s_kilk 10y agoJeez, that's pretty bad. This seems like the most basic case that autopilot is supposed to solve, and yet it still crashes?
- lisivka 10y agoIMHO, autonomous car should use at least two autopilot systems from independent vendors, to avoid single point of failure.
- crististm 10y agoTwo is not enough for voting. If you have two clocks you don't know what time it is.
- Practicality 10y agoSounds like we need three, à la Minority Report.
- lisivka 10y agoIt's enough to catch errors to alarm human and brake.
- tamana 10y agoIn thr most famous Tesla case, the driver was a huge advocate and YouTuber who pushed autopilot to its limits intentionally, not being a good copilot.