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I think this is common else where in the world especially when clueless HR or recruiters are the ones writing the job description of their client. Take a look a

by jister 17y ago

I think this is common else where in the world especially when clueless HR or recruiters are the ones writing the job description of their client. Take a look at this - http://owenge.blogspot.com/2010/04/odd-job-description.html http://owenge.blogspot.com/2010/04/odd-job-description.html. As a developer should I really be lifting or moving equipments if needed? This line will surely scare good applicants away.

spudlyo 17y ago
Small shops require developers to also do sysadmin duty, including racking and stacking gear.
- switch007 17y ago
  How small are you talking about? We have 2 Developers and 7 Systems Administrators. I would never dream of asking a developer to shift some servers, wire some racks etc. As a control freak sysadmin, I wouldn't want them too either :-)
  - stuff4ben 17y ago
    You have a greater than 2:1 ratio of sys admins to devs? What is it that you do that requires so many sysadmins? My ASSumption is that your devs are writing such bad code that it takes an army to administer the servers the code lives on. But that's just me being an ass ;) Seriously what gives? As to your point, we are a small shop too, 4 devs and 1 sysadmin. The developers (of which I am one too) partake in everything from racking servers to setting up databases to setting up production load-balanced Apache instances to writing actual code. I find it's better to have developers who know a little about how everything else works rather than code monkeys who just concentrate on their own little jungle of code and throw it over the wall like feces for others to handle.
    - switch007 17y ago
      We do dedicated/virtulal hosting, so we're not 'typical' sysadmins . I still don't understand what makes it necessary for you to rack servers? If it's sheer quantity, then you should have enough cash to employ more staff. If it's very occasionally, then why can't the sysadmin handle that? The only time our devs touch a server is when go to the datacentre to see how everything works.
      - fhars 17y ago
        Most servers are easier to put in a rack with two persons. And if you do it only very occasionally, hiring a second admin just for that might be slightly wasteful.
      - stuff4ben 17y ago
        Like the other guy said, it's easier with two people since they're pretty heavy. We only have about 10 of them, so it's not a constant activity for us. I have to say though, your attitude towards developers is pretty condescending. As a developer and former homebuilt PC enthusiast I actually enjoy learning about the IT side of things. Likewise, our sysadmin keeps up a good conversation now and then about software development, and scripting languages in particular. The best development shops are those where the devs and admins work as a team and trust each other.
olefoo 17y ago
This is designed to filter out people who will die of a heart attack during crunch week. Congestive heart failure in someone with a critical skill can derail a project; not to mention the negative effect on the morale of the rest of the team.

by jister 17y ago

spudlyo 17y ago

Small shops require developers to also do sysadmin duty, including racking and stacking gear.

switch007 17y ago
How small are you talking about? We have 2 Developers and 7 Systems Administrators. I would never dream of asking a developer to shift some servers, wire some racks etc. As a control freak sysadmin, I wouldn't want them too either :-)
- stuff4ben 17y ago
  You have a greater than 2:1 ratio of sys admins to devs? What is it that you do that requires so many sysadmins? My ASSumption is that your devs are writing such bad code that it takes an army to administer the servers the code lives on. But that's just me being an ass ;) Seriously what gives? As to your point, we are a small shop too, 4 devs and 1 sysadmin. The developers (of which I am one too) partake in everything from racking servers to setting up databases to setting up production load-balanced Apache instances to writing actual code. I find it's better to have developers who know a little about how everything else works rather than code monkeys who just concentrate on their own little jungle of code and throw it over the wall like feces for others to handle.
  - switch007 17y ago
    We do dedicated/virtulal hosting, so we're not 'typical' sysadmins . I still don't understand what makes it necessary for you to rack servers? If it's sheer quantity, then you should have enough cash to employ more staff. If it's very occasionally, then why can't the sysadmin handle that? The only time our devs touch a server is when go to the datacentre to see how everything works.
    - fhars 17y ago
      Most servers are easier to put in a rack with two persons. And if you do it only very occasionally, hiring a second admin just for that might be slightly wasteful.
    - stuff4ben 17y ago
      Like the other guy said, it's easier with two people since they're pretty heavy. We only have about 10 of them, so it's not a constant activity for us. I have to say though, your attitude towards developers is pretty condescending. As a developer and former homebuilt PC enthusiast I actually enjoy learning about the IT side of things. Likewise, our sysadmin keeps up a good conversation now and then about software development, and scripting languages in particular. The best development shops are those where the devs and admins work as a team and trust each other.

olefoo 17y ago

This is designed to filter out people who will die of a heart attack during crunch week. Congestive heart failure in someone with a critical skill can derail a project; not to mention the negative effect on the morale of the rest of the team.