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PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless yo

PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.

coldtea 10y ago
>Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). >Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we mean "watching web video" or some flash pages. The browser can't even put up with viewing RAW images or playing FLAC files... But true, I'm talking about creating (which doesn't mean anything at the Michael Bay level -- even something as simple as family vacation video or high school project).
- pfranz 10y ago
  Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux. Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW files in Linux either. VLC works better more reliably than anything proprietary for macOS or Windows. Creating videos is something that seemed "the thing to do" in the early 2000's. IMHO, Apple did have the best consumer tools back then. But I haven't really hear of much use in the last 10 years. Linux might have decent tools? I wouldn't know.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Openshot does the job pretty well, last I checked. It's not exactly polished, but it seems to work okay.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  ...And IDEs being better is your opinion. It's all subjective. Don't shove VS down our throats, and I won't do the same for Emacs. Thanks for the clarification of what you meant by multimedia. VLC, GIMP, Openshot, or an app run through Wine can handle all the things you described.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >..And IDEs being better is your opinion Yes, but IDEs being more integrated with certain languages (e.g. IntelliJ and Java, VS and C#) instead of ad-hoc collection of scripts for a language that Emacs offers (except perhaps for Lisps) is a fact.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Emacs has some pretty good support for many languages. For languages like Javascript, LaTeX, Python, C/C++, and the Lisps, it's absolutely a solid environment, with good integration with the tooling. You can at least expect basic syntax highlighting for every language under the sun, and ectags means you get code navigation for most of them as well. Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language: Emacs is universal, and is sometimes surprisingly well integrated. Flycheck also covers for another common IDE feature. Besides, how much of an IDE do you really need? Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package, and also contain one of the finest tools for outlining, planning, todo lists, writing and publishing, literate programming in any language ever devised (if it wasn't obvious, yes, I'm talking about org-mode)? No? Well then, I'll stick with emacs for now. :-D
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language Only most of the work we do while programming is not text editing -- we're not courtroom clerks or secretaries -- it's reading code, with a modicum of writing (less than 300-500 lines per day). For this, a "great text editing mode" is almost of no use, compared to great language-related facilities for code navigation, AST-based autocomplete, intelligent refactoring, integrated debugger and build system, etc etc. >Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package Thankfully, no.

PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.

coldtea 10y ago

>Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). >Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we mean "watching web video" or some flash pages. The browser can't even put up with viewing RAW images or playing FLAC files... But true, I'm talking about creating (which doesn't mean anything at the Michael Bay level -- even something as simple as family vacation video or high school project).

pfranz 10y ago
Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux. Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW files in Linux either. VLC works better more reliably than anything proprietary for macOS or Windows. Creating videos is something that seemed "the thing to do" in the early 2000's. IMHO, Apple did have the best consumer tools back then. But I haven't really hear of much use in the last 10 years. Linux might have decent tools? I wouldn't know.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Openshot does the job pretty well, last I checked. It's not exactly polished, but it seems to work okay.
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
...And IDEs being better is your opinion. It's all subjective. Don't shove VS down our throats, and I won't do the same for Emacs. Thanks for the clarification of what you meant by multimedia. VLC, GIMP, Openshot, or an app run through Wine can handle all the things you described.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >..And IDEs being better is your opinion Yes, but IDEs being more integrated with certain languages (e.g. IntelliJ and Java, VS and C#) instead of ad-hoc collection of scripts for a language that Emacs offers (except perhaps for Lisps) is a fact.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Emacs has some pretty good support for many languages. For languages like Javascript, LaTeX, Python, C/C++, and the Lisps, it's absolutely a solid environment, with good integration with the tooling. You can at least expect basic syntax highlighting for every language under the sun, and ectags means you get code navigation for most of them as well. Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language: Emacs is universal, and is sometimes surprisingly well integrated. Flycheck also covers for another common IDE feature. Besides, how much of an IDE do you really need? Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package, and also contain one of the finest tools for outlining, planning, todo lists, writing and publishing, literate programming in any language ever devised (if it wasn't obvious, yes, I'm talking about org-mode)? No? Well then, I'll stick with emacs for now. :-D
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language Only most of the work we do while programming is not text editing -- we're not courtroom clerks or secretaries -- it's reading code, with a modicum of writing (less than 300-500 lines per day). For this, a "great text editing mode" is almost of no use, compared to great language-related facilities for code navigation, AST-based autocomplete, intelligent refactoring, integrated debugger and build system, etc etc. >Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package Thankfully, no.