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Safari 10.0

43 points by bomanbot 10y ago

dcgudeman 10y ago
The ECMAScript 2015 standard, also known as ES6, is completely supported, bringing this major JavaScript evolution to Safari on macOS and iOS. Very nice to see ES6 getting implemented by all major browsers.
- ihsw 10y ago
  Obligatory "ES6 is supported but not ES6 modules."
  - bouk 10y ago
    ES6 only defined syntax for modules, it didn't define a way to load modules, that's a different standard
- styfle 10y ago
  Yes this is exciting. It appears Safari 10 is the only browser today implementing 100% of ES6 according to kangax. http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/ http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/
choicewords 10y ago
Anyone know the release date?
- philfreo 10y ago
  It came as an App Store update for me today.
fivesigma 10y ago
http://iswebrtcreadyyet.com/ http://iswebrtcreadyyet.com/ Unacceptable in this day and age.
- atonse 10y ago
  They're working on it: https://webkit.org/status/#specification-webrtc https://webkit.org/status/#specification-webrtc.
  - legulere 10y ago
    Here's the bug in their bugtracker: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124288 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124288
sanjeetsuhag 10y ago
The biggest hope I had from macOS Sierra was Picture in Picture, but sadly, iTunes is basically the only thing supporting it. Till, then, I'm stuck using Helium. Helium : http://heliumfloats.com http://heliumfloats.com
- nyreed 10y ago
  I'm curious, what advantage should Picture in Picture have over Helium?
- derefr 10y ago
  I wish OSX had "picture in picture" in a more literal sense: the ability to make a Space (including a Desktop space) into a window, and then move/resize it around on another Desktop space as if it were a Screen Sharing client window. Though, really, they could go even further: I use Fast User Switching to basically be two people: "home" me, and "work" me, who each use the same apps but logged into different accounts. (The OS manages this far better than the one-off multi-account features of apps do, I find.) But Fast User Switching isn't very convenient when you "are" both users. How about letting me intermingle the Spaces from two login sessions, so I can have a "Picture In Picture" Space from my own other account open on my desktop? (If you're wondering, Screen Sharing doesn't allow you to connect to localhost. Even if you hack around that [which requires patching some bytes in a private framework], it's still a cruddy experience, especially concerning screen locking and display resolution. And, obviously, slow.)
- SG- 10y ago
  No, anything that does standard controls will support PiP and as indicated in the notes for HTML5 players that have their own controls (like Youtube) then it's possible to do it through JS (if Youtube decides to). I'm sure some browser plugin can be created to add the controls to Youtube or all the other major HTML5 players.
  - Razengan 10y ago
    You can use PiP for the YouTube HTML5 player by right-clicking on it twice, see my previous comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12542619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12542619
joewrong 10y ago
I had to restart my mac for a browser update? (may have missed something else in there)
- jaas 10y ago
  You probably have to restart because the web rendering engine (WebKit) used by your browser (Safari) is used all over the rest of the system as well (in webviews). Just a guess though.
  - B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
    Rings a bell. I seem to remember that someone sometime got into some trouble for something like that. Just a fading memory.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
    - giovannibajo1 10y ago
      Yes I think it was something about forcing that to users through a de-facto monopoly of 95% of computers in the world. Not sure why people try to apply monopoly restrictions to Apple. They don't have monopoly position (not even close) in any market they operate.
ihsw 10y ago
Notably, the ApplePay API is entering general availability (GA)[1]. The following networks are supported[2]: amex, discover, interac, masterCard, privateLabel, or visa. The following products are prohibited[3] as well as many other services: * cigarettes or tobacco products; * firearms, weapons, and ammunition; * illegal drugs, non-legally prescribed controlled substances; * items that create consumer safety risks; * items that are intended to be used to engage in illegal activities; * pornography; * counterfeit or stolen goods; or * collection of charitable donations; A paired iPhone or Apple Watch device is required (re: the macOS Sierra app), as well as iOS 10 and macOS 10.12. [1] https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs [2] https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs/1916082-applepay_js_data_types/paymentrequest https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs/1916082-app... [3] https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/acceptable-use-guidelines-for-websites/ https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/acceptable-use-guideli...
- evanb 10y ago
  A pretty standard laundry list of no-go items and then... > * collection of charitable donations; !! This seems really different from all the other prohibitions. What's the idea behind that?
  - Eric_WVGG 10y ago
    I imagine all the legal regulations surrounding charitable donations and tax breaks. If someone was fraudulently gathering money under the guise of charity, it would turn into a huge headache for them, even worse than normal fraud. That's pure speculation on my part. Given that Tim Cook is personally very pro-charity (he put a matching contributions policy in place after assuming the CEO role), it seems likely that this will loosen up once Apple can put some certification policies in place.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      > I imagine all the legal regulations surrounding charitable donations and tax breaks. There aren't. You can collect donations on behalf of an organization just about anyway you please. Many of them have Apps for that. It's super fun on iOS because you have to kick out to Safari to complete donations so you don't have to pay the Apple tax. Not that I would know about any of that...
melling 10y ago
Safari 10 seems to choke while I'm reading this page: http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/fall16/lectures/01-intro.html http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/fall16/lectures/01-intro.h... Usually about the time I get to the section on Animations.
- sulam 10y ago
  same here!
- caiob 10y ago
  Works fine here.
  - melling 10y ago
    Probably didn't give it enough time. It kills Safari on my iPad too. I submitted a Radar. Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fffd0a0ec8a __psynch_cvwait + 10 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fffd0af797a _pthread_cond_wait + 712 2 libc++.1.dylib 0x00007fffcf48558d std::__1::condition_variable::wait(std::__1::unique_lock<std::__1::mutex>&) + 47 3 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fffbe6ef7de WTF::ParkingLot::parkConditionallyImpl(void const*, WTF::ScopedLambda<bool ()> const&, WTF::ScopedLambda<void ()> const&, std::__1::chrono::time_point<std::__1::chrono::steady_clock, std::__1::chrono::duration<long long, std::__1::ratio<1l, 1000000000l> > >) + 2494
- fredsir 10y ago
  +1. Doesn't work for me in chrome either. The images (or whatever they are) doesn't load at all, but just show up gray with the text that they couldn't load. Better than choking like Safari does though.
gb_ 10y ago
Really nice update as a developer. As a user, I still can't use any browser that doesn't have something like [self destructing cookies](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destruct...). Cookies are just way too sticky and invasive, and turning them off breaks just about every site.
dumbmatter 10y ago
I don't own a Mac, but I'm curious if Safari 10 is finally good enough to run one of my hobby projects, and if not I'd like to debug it because it seems the feature support is finally here (specifically, IndexedDB). Are there any better options than coercing one of my friends with a Mac into upgrading and letting me borrow their laptop? If not, will I have to get them to upgrade the whole OS like it's old school Internet Explorer, or is it standalone?
- mgkimsal 10y ago
  Pretty sure it's not going to be standalone.
- cmpb 10y ago
  I just updated Safari to 10.0 without being on macOS, so it's presumably standalone. Some features (i.e. picture in picture) might not work as well, but indexedDB has been in Safari for a while, so I'm sure the updates to it are supported everywhere.
  - hackmiester 10y ago
    Wait, what? What other OS is it out for?
    - saurik 10y ago
      (That comment is using "macOS" to differentiate from older builds of "OS X".)
    - knd775 10y ago
      I think you're hung up on the name change. It's now macOS, whereas it used to be OS X. When the parent poster is says macOS, they mean the latest version of OS X/macOS.
  - bergie 10y ago
    Actually, I think this is the first Safari version where IndexedDB works. They shipped a broken implementation earlier.
roneythomas6 10y ago
The first beta preview of sierra had webp support and safari supported it. They removed it in the later preview release. Hopefully they will support webp in some future release of macOS.
wrboyce 10y ago
Relatively minor change, but one of my favourites; cmd-z will now undo multiple tab closes.
- nerdponx 10y ago
  That, or they could implement a real "recently closed" interface like every other browser. Is there some obscure security or performance reason they don't do this?
ianhawes 10y ago
When the webkit-playsinline property is specified, Safari on iPhone allows videos to play inline. Videos without the property will commence playback in fullscreen, but users can pinch close on the video to continue playing the video inline. On iOS, videos without audio tracks or with disabled audio tracks can play automatically when the webpage loads. This allows for inline videos in Safari on iOS. Previously, webkit-playsinline only worked for pages saved to the home screen.
- joshkpeterson 10y ago
  Finally - we've been asking for this for years. This is key for WebVR on iphones, also.
- randall 10y ago
  This was a 'wow' moment for me, as someone innovating in video.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
forgottenacc56 10y ago
Can I just say, after years of neglect and falling behind the industry, fuck Safari.
cseelus 10y ago
HTML 5 geolocation seems to not work on my local development environment anymore, Webinspector says a secure connection (https) is needed. Any workarounds for this?
- ratzo 10y ago
  https://letsencrypt.org https://letsencrypt.org
styfle 10y ago
Does Safari 10 support the fetch api[0] yet? [0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API
pacomerh 10y ago
Getting ready for a new macbook hopefully
wilquestioner 10y ago
Will Safari 10.0 work on Mavericks?

43 points by bomanbot 10y ago

The ECMAScript 2015 standard, also known as ES6, is completely supported, bringing this major JavaScript evolution to Safari on macOS and iOS. Very nice to see ES6 getting implemented by all major browsers.

ihsw 10y ago
Obligatory "ES6 is supported but not ES6 modules."
- bouk 10y ago
  ES6 only defined syntax for modules, it didn't define a way to load modules, that's a different standard
styfle 10y ago
Yes this is exciting. It appears Safari 10 is the only browser today implementing 100% of ES6 according to kangax. http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/ http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/

choicewords 10y ago

Anyone know the release date?

philfreo 10y ago
It came as an App Store update for me today.

fivesigma 10y ago

http://iswebrtcreadyyet.com/ http://iswebrtcreadyyet.com/ Unacceptable in this day and age.

atonse 10y ago
They're working on it: https://webkit.org/status/#specification-webrtc https://webkit.org/status/#specification-webrtc.
- legulere 10y ago
  Here's the bug in their bugtracker: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124288 https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124288

sanjeetsuhag 10y ago

The biggest hope I had from macOS Sierra was Picture in Picture, but sadly, iTunes is basically the only thing supporting it. Till, then, I'm stuck using Helium. Helium : http://heliumfloats.com http://heliumfloats.com

nyreed 10y ago
I'm curious, what advantage should Picture in Picture have over Helium?
derefr 10y ago
I wish OSX had "picture in picture" in a more literal sense: the ability to make a Space (including a Desktop space) into a window, and then move/resize it around on another Desktop space as if it were a Screen Sharing client window. Though, really, they could go even further: I use Fast User Switching to basically be two people: "home" me, and "work" me, who each use the same apps but logged into different accounts. (The OS manages this far better than the one-off multi-account features of apps do, I find.) But Fast User Switching isn't very convenient when you "are" both users. How about letting me intermingle the Spaces from two login sessions, so I can have a "Picture In Picture" Space from my own other account open on my desktop? (If you're wondering, Screen Sharing doesn't allow you to connect to localhost. Even if you hack around that [which requires patching some bytes in a private framework], it's still a cruddy experience, especially concerning screen locking and display resolution. And, obviously, slow.)
SG- 10y ago
No, anything that does standard controls will support PiP and as indicated in the notes for HTML5 players that have their own controls (like Youtube) then it's possible to do it through JS (if Youtube decides to). I'm sure some browser plugin can be created to add the controls to Youtube or all the other major HTML5 players.
- Razengan 10y ago
  You can use PiP for the YouTube HTML5 player by right-clicking on it twice, see my previous comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12542619 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12542619

joewrong 10y ago

I had to restart my mac for a browser update? (may have missed something else in there)

jaas 10y ago
You probably have to restart because the web rendering engine (WebKit) used by your browser (Safari) is used all over the rest of the system as well (in webviews). Just a guess though.
- B1FF_PSUVM 10y ago
  Rings a bell. I seem to remember that someone sometime got into some trouble for something like that. Just a fading memory.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - giovannibajo1 10y ago
    Yes I think it was something about forcing that to users through a de-facto monopoly of 95% of computers in the world. Not sure why people try to apply monopoly restrictions to Apple. They don't have monopoly position (not even close) in any market they operate.

ihsw 10y ago

Notably, the ApplePay API is entering general availability (GA)[1]. The following networks are supported[2]: amex, discover, interac, masterCard, privateLabel, or visa. The following products are prohibited[3] as well as many other services: * cigarettes or tobacco products; * firearms, weapons, and ammunition; * illegal drugs, non-legally prescribed controlled substances; * items that create consumer safety risks; * items that are intended to be used to engage in illegal activities; * pornography; * counterfeit or stolen goods; or * collection of charitable donations; A paired iPhone or Apple Watch device is required (re: the macOS Sierra app), as well as iOS 10 and macOS 10.12. [1] https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs [2] https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs/1916082-applepay_js_data_types/paymentrequest https://developer.apple.com/reference/applepayjs/1916082-app... [3] https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/acceptable-use-guidelines-for-websites/ https://developer.apple.com/apple-pay/acceptable-use-guideli...

evanb 10y ago
A pretty standard laundry list of no-go items and then... > * collection of charitable donations; !! This seems really different from all the other prohibitions. What's the idea behind that?
- Eric_WVGG 10y ago
  I imagine all the legal regulations surrounding charitable donations and tax breaks. If someone was fraudulently gathering money under the guise of charity, it would turn into a huge headache for them, even worse than normal fraud. That's pure speculation on my part. Given that Tim Cook is personally very pro-charity (he put a matching contributions policy in place after assuming the CEO role), it seems likely that this will loosen up once Apple can put some certification policies in place.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    > I imagine all the legal regulations surrounding charitable donations and tax breaks. There aren't. You can collect donations on behalf of an organization just about anyway you please. Many of them have Apps for that. It's super fun on iOS because you have to kick out to Safari to complete donations so you don't have to pay the Apple tax. Not that I would know about any of that...

melling 10y ago

Safari 10 seems to choke while I'm reading this page: http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/fall16/lectures/01-intro.html http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~cis194/fall16/lectures/01-intro.h... Usually about the time I get to the section on Animations.

sulam 10y ago
same here!
caiob 10y ago
Works fine here.
- melling 10y ago
  Probably didn't give it enough time. It kills Safari on my iPad too. I submitted a Radar. Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x00007fffd0a0ec8a __psynch_cvwait + 10 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x00007fffd0af797a _pthread_cond_wait + 712 2 libc++.1.dylib 0x00007fffcf48558d std::__1::condition_variable::wait(std::__1::unique_lock<std::__1::mutex>&) + 47 3 com.apple.JavaScriptCore 0x00007fffbe6ef7de WTF::ParkingLot::parkConditionallyImpl(void const*, WTF::ScopedLambda<bool ()> const&, WTF::ScopedLambda<void ()> const&, std::__1::chrono::time_point<std::__1::chrono::steady_clock, std::__1::chrono::duration<long long, std::__1::ratio<1l, 1000000000l> > >) + 2494
fredsir 10y ago
+1. Doesn't work for me in chrome either. The images (or whatever they are) doesn't load at all, but just show up gray with the text that they couldn't load. Better than choking like Safari does though.

gb_ 10y ago

Really nice update as a developer. As a user, I still can't use any browser that doesn't have something like [self destructing cookies](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destruct...). Cookies are just way too sticky and invasive, and turning them off breaks just about every site.

dumbmatter 10y ago

I don't own a Mac, but I'm curious if Safari 10 is finally good enough to run one of my hobby projects, and if not I'd like to debug it because it seems the feature support is finally here (specifically, IndexedDB). Are there any better options than coercing one of my friends with a Mac into upgrading and letting me borrow their laptop? If not, will I have to get them to upgrade the whole OS like it's old school Internet Explorer, or is it standalone?

mgkimsal 10y ago
Pretty sure it's not going to be standalone.
cmpb 10y ago
I just updated Safari to 10.0 without being on macOS, so it's presumably standalone. Some features (i.e. picture in picture) might not work as well, but indexedDB has been in Safari for a while, so I'm sure the updates to it are supported everywhere.
- hackmiester 10y ago
  Wait, what? What other OS is it out for?
  - saurik 10y ago
    (That comment is using "macOS" to differentiate from older builds of "OS X".)
  - knd775 10y ago
    I think you're hung up on the name change. It's now macOS, whereas it used to be OS X. When the parent poster is says macOS, they mean the latest version of OS X/macOS.
- bergie 10y ago
  Actually, I think this is the first Safari version where IndexedDB works. They shipped a broken implementation earlier.

roneythomas6 10y ago

The first beta preview of sierra had webp support and safari supported it. They removed it in the later preview release. Hopefully they will support webp in some future release of macOS.

wrboyce 10y ago

Relatively minor change, but one of my favourites; cmd-z will now undo multiple tab closes.

nerdponx 10y ago
That, or they could implement a real "recently closed" interface like every other browser. Is there some obscure security or performance reason they don't do this?

ianhawes 10y ago

When the webkit-playsinline property is specified, Safari on iPhone allows videos to play inline. Videos without the property will commence playback in fullscreen, but users can pinch close on the video to continue playing the video inline. On iOS, videos without audio tracks or with disabled audio tracks can play automatically when the webpage loads. This allows for inline videos in Safari on iOS. Previously, webkit-playsinline only worked for pages saved to the home screen.

joshkpeterson 10y ago
Finally - we've been asking for this for years. This is key for WebVR on iphones, also.
randall 10y ago
This was a 'wow' moment for me, as someone innovating in video.
deleted 10y ago
[deleted]

forgottenacc56 10y ago

Can I just say, after years of neglect and falling behind the industry, fuck Safari.

cseelus 10y ago

HTML 5 geolocation seems to not work on my local development environment anymore, Webinspector says a secure connection (https) is needed. Any workarounds for this?

ratzo 10y ago
https://letsencrypt.org https://letsencrypt.org

styfle 10y ago

Does Safari 10 support the fetch api[0] yet? [0]: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Fetch_API

pacomerh 10y ago

Getting ready for a new macbook hopefully

wilquestioner 10y ago

Will Safari 10.0 work on Mavericks?