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You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

by zeveb 10y ago

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Well, Macs have a larger software base: If you want a Unix with app support, and Wine won't cut it, OS X does a neat job. But I'm running Arch myself, so I'm not one to talk.
coldtea 10y ago
>Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else? Because it's 2016? What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). >Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we mean "watching web video" or some flash pages. The browser can't even put up with viewing RAW images or playing FLAC files... But true, I'm talking about creating (which doesn't mean anything at the Michael Bay level -- even something as simple as family vacation video or high school project).
    - pfranz 10y ago
      Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux. Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW files in Linux either. VLC works better more reliably than anything proprietary for macOS or Windows. Creating videos is something that seemed "the thing to do" in the early 2000's. IMHO, Apple did have the best consumer tools back then. But I haven't really hear of much use in the last 10 years. Linux might have decent tools? I wouldn't know.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Openshot does the job pretty well, last I checked. It's not exactly polished, but it seems to work okay.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      ...And IDEs being better is your opinion. It's all subjective. Don't shove VS down our throats, and I won't do the same for Emacs. Thanks for the clarification of what you meant by multimedia. VLC, GIMP, Openshot, or an app run through Wine can handle all the things you described.
      - coldtea 10y ago
        >..And IDEs being better is your opinion Yes, but IDEs being more integrated with certain languages (e.g. IntelliJ and Java, VS and C#) instead of ad-hoc collection of scripts for a language that Emacs offers (except perhaps for Lisps) is a fact.
        qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Emacs has some pretty good support for many languages. For languages like Javascript, LaTeX, Python, C/C++, and the Lisps, it's absolutely a solid environment, with good integration with the tooling. You can at least expect basic syntax highlighting for every language under the sun, and ectags means you get code navigation for most of them as well. Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language: Emacs is universal, and is sometimes surprisingly well integrated. Flycheck also covers for another common IDE feature. Besides, how much of an IDE do you really need? Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package, and also contain one of the finest tools for outlining, planning, todo lists, writing and publishing, literate programming in any language ever devised (if it wasn't obvious, yes, I'm talking about org-mode)? No? Well then, I'll stick with emacs for now. :-D
- zeveb 10y ago
  > Because it's 2016? Frankly, I find the experience of stumpwm to be far more modern and futuristic than that of macOS or Windows. They both seem very 1980s and dated in their concepts. > What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere? Ummm, Debian plays music, videos and games just fine. Firefox plays music, videos and games just fine. emacs is my IDE. I could also use Eclipse, IntelliJ or whatever if I enjoyed pain and suffering. I've no desire to use Photoshop or Premiere, but if I did I'm sure I could run Wine.

You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

by zeveb 10y ago

You could always upgrade to Linux. Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else?

Well, Macs have a larger software base: If you want a Unix with app support, and Wine won't cut it, OS X does a neat job. But I'm running Arch myself, so I'm not one to talk.

coldtea 10y ago

>Debian + stumpwm + emacs + Firefox: why use anything else? Because it's 2016? What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere?

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
PS works surprisingly well in Wine, but that I could understand. Emacs works better than any IDE. Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Emacs works better than any IDE. In the immortal words of Jeffrey Lebowski: Well, that's like, your opinion, man. Good IDEs like IntelliJ and VS have so much better integration for given languages that only result in ad-hoc, ho-hum solutions in Emacs (if one can suffer the millions of key bindings). >Your browser is usually good enough for multimedia unless you're talking about creating it. Well, if multimedia we mean "watching web video" or some flash pages. The browser can't even put up with viewing RAW images or playing FLAC files... But true, I'm talking about creating (which doesn't mean anything at the Michael Bay level -- even something as simple as family vacation video or high school project).
  - pfranz 10y ago
    Sure, you're swatting down his arguments, but not Linux. IntelliJ works for Linux--I'm not sure why VS was mentioned since this is a thread about moving from macOS to Linux. VS Code works just as well in macOS as it does Linux. Of course the browser can't play back all multimedia. With its pedigree, I'm sure FLAC was running Linux before it was running on Linux or Windows. I haven't heard of much of an issue with RAW files in Linux either. VLC works better more reliably than anything proprietary for macOS or Windows. Creating videos is something that seemed "the thing to do" in the early 2000's. IMHO, Apple did have the best consumer tools back then. But I haven't really hear of much use in the last 10 years. Linux might have decent tools? I wouldn't know.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Openshot does the job pretty well, last I checked. It's not exactly polished, but it seems to work okay.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    ...And IDEs being better is your opinion. It's all subjective. Don't shove VS down our throats, and I won't do the same for Emacs. Thanks for the clarification of what you meant by multimedia. VLC, GIMP, Openshot, or an app run through Wine can handle all the things you described.
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >..And IDEs being better is your opinion Yes, but IDEs being more integrated with certain languages (e.g. IntelliJ and Java, VS and C#) instead of ad-hoc collection of scripts for a language that Emacs offers (except perhaps for Lisps) is a fact.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Emacs has some pretty good support for many languages. For languages like Javascript, LaTeX, Python, C/C++, and the Lisps, it's absolutely a solid environment, with good integration with the tooling. You can at least expect basic syntax highlighting for every language under the sun, and ectags means you get code navigation for most of them as well. Java support is meh at best, true but Java isn't my main language, and I'd rather not learn another new, inferior text editing environment every time I learn a new language: Emacs is universal, and is sometimes surprisingly well integrated. Flycheck also covers for another common IDE feature. Besides, how much of an IDE do you really need? Besides, does your IDE read email, come with an integrated tetris package, and also contain one of the finest tools for outlining, planning, todo lists, writing and publishing, literate programming in any language ever devised (if it wasn't obvious, yes, I'm talking about org-mode)? No? Well then, I'll stick with emacs for now. :-D
zeveb 10y ago
> Because it's 2016? Frankly, I find the experience of stumpwm to be far more modern and futuristic than that of macOS or Windows. They both seem very 1980s and dated in their concepts. > What about multimedia? Or an IDE? Or my proprietary apps like Photoshop and Premiere? Ummm, Debian plays music, videos and games just fine. Firefox plays music, videos and games just fine. emacs is my IDE. I could also use Eclipse, IntelliJ or whatever if I enjoyed pain and suffering. I've no desire to use Photoshop or Premiere, but if I did I'm sure I could run Wine.