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How? Do you think the infringing code would have been removed without public shaming? Not necessarily out of malice, but in large organisations these matters t

How? Do you think the infringing code would have been removed without public shaming? Not necessarily out of malice, but in large organisations these matters tend to be forgotten or idle for a long time. Anyway they did try to settle things amicably, to no avail.

danso 10y ago
I agree that it seems to be a case of miscommunication and It's-not-my-job syndrome at AJ and its partners. But unless there's a huge burden in hosting costs -- and the fact that scrollytelling didn't break the hotlinks (nevermind that the story didn't seem widely shared in the first place) seems to suggest that they weren't huge -- it doesn't seem necessary to escalate this in the way that it was. Maybe I'm missing something, but the first public tweet regarding this matter is this: https://twitter.com/Scrollytellio/status/769971299317911552 https://twitter.com/Scrollytellio/status/769971299317911552 > @Hiddemhigh poor form to actively link to a stolen ripoff of our code. cc @martijnvtol I've had luck communicating with media folks by prodding them on Twitter, e.g. "Hey @editor, who is the best person to talk about etc etc". Did ScrollyTelling do that? Was it necessary to jump from private prodding to hostile accusation via subtweet?
ben_jones 10y ago
I took an ethics course a few years ago and we had many discussions on what were the pragmatic options for improving ethics around the world. One of the most popular was "public shaming" both for governments and corporations. My problem with this was the fact that governments and corporations are always made by people and a public shaming campaign would always end up as a witch hunt of a particular person. When an individual witch hunt is combined with a relatively misinformed mass of people the outcome is often unjust and can lead to violence, that because it was 'approved' by the masses, is deemed ok. I don't think it is. Now in this case the public shaming seems tame and does not seem to have devolved to individual witch hunts. But look no further then 'dongle gate' where a single twitter post led to two relatively innocent people being fired (neither intended the consequences of their actions IMO) and you can see where public shaming in general gets us.

danso 10y ago

I agree that it seems to be a case of miscommunication and It's-not-my-job syndrome at AJ and its partners. But unless there's a huge burden in hosting costs -- and the fact that scrollytelling didn't break the hotlinks (nevermind that the story didn't seem widely shared in the first place) seems to suggest that they weren't huge -- it doesn't seem necessary to escalate this in the way that it was. Maybe I'm missing something, but the first public tweet regarding this matter is this: https://twitter.com/Scrollytellio/status/769971299317911552 https://twitter.com/Scrollytellio/status/769971299317911552 > @Hiddemhigh poor form to actively link to a stolen ripoff of our code. cc @martijnvtol I've had luck communicating with media folks by prodding them on Twitter, e.g. "Hey @editor, who is the best person to talk about etc etc". Did ScrollyTelling do that? Was it necessary to jump from private prodding to hostile accusation via subtweet?

ben_jones 10y ago

I took an ethics course a few years ago and we had many discussions on what were the pragmatic options for improving ethics around the world. One of the most popular was "public shaming" both for governments and corporations. My problem with this was the fact that governments and corporations are always made by people and a public shaming campaign would always end up as a witch hunt of a particular person. When an individual witch hunt is combined with a relatively misinformed mass of people the outcome is often unjust and can lead to violence, that because it was 'approved' by the masses, is deemed ok. I don't think it is. Now in this case the public shaming seems tame and does not seem to have devolved to individual witch hunts. But look no further then 'dongle gate' where a single twitter post led to two relatively innocent people being fired (neither intended the consequences of their actions IMO) and you can see where public shaming in general gets us.