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I'm looking forward to the stories of people actually filling these things, and then losing/corrupting them. I think that is waaaaay too large for the size/spee

I'm looking forward to the stories of people actually filling these things, and then losing/corrupting them. I think that is waaaaay too large for the size/speed of SD.

gmazza 10y ago
Designed-for use-case for an SD card is a buffer where a photo/video camera will save footage sequentially, then you copy everything to your PC/laptop and reformat the card. When used as a generic storage with a complex write/delete/overwrite pattern, most card would start corrupting data fairly quickly.
- overcast 10y ago
  I understand its use case. Now imagine you're on location shooting, and you're fumbling around with tiny SD cards. It wouldn't be the first time I've dropped one. Even compact flash I try not to put TOO much work on one before I switch them over. To say that every consumer is going to use it only as a temporary medium, I think is overly optimistic.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    I think part of the appeal of high capacity cards is that you spend less time fumbling with cards. A 1TB card would probably last an entire day of shooting HD video. As an amateur photographer, I generally keep 2 extra SD cards on hand but they're backups and not used. I don't think I've ever filled up the 64GB card that I shoot with and at the end of the day I move off what was shot. If I'm shooting on vacation I'll generally leave a copy of the images on the card so that I have 2 copies floating around but I've yet to fill up the card. This card probably isn't targeting the consumer market. I think smartphone cameras have cannibalized much of the Point-and-Shoot camera and PVR market. That being said, I think most consumers purchase one SD card when they buy their camera and it's the only card that camera ever sees.
  - eropple 10y ago
    I get what you're saying, and it is a concern, but there is a decent argument (to me, anyway) that with 1TB you probably won't be taking the card out to be fumbling with it in the first place. Even with on-location shooting, "I filled up a 1TB card, I need to archive it" is probably a good reason for a lunch break.
    - overcast 10y ago
      No one in their right mind would fill a 1TB card before swapping. That's an insane amount of potential lost. I could see it as a secondary backup disk in DSLR about it.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        Nobody in their right mind would have thousands of photos with no backup, but most people never backup anything.
        overcast 10y ago
        So what's your argument here, that you agree with me?
        vidarh 10y ago
        He is saying that people will fill a 1TB card before swapping exactly the same way that people often leave thousands of photos floating around without backup.
      - eropple 10y ago
        If you're recording 4K video, a terabyte is about two hours of recording time. Plenty of folks will fill that before swapping.
- colejohnson66 10y ago
  Not that you're wrong, but [citation needed]. Mainly because you use a microSD card to boot the Raspberry Pi. Also, in my Yearbook class in high school, we almost never formatted(?) our cards. Granted, they were only 32 GB or less to avoid SDXC, but still.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    Why were you avoiding SDXC? Was it a technical deficiency in SDXC or limitation in your hhardware?
    - rocky1138 10y ago
      I'm not the parent, but SDXC on my Raspberry Pi causes kernel panics after ~6 hours of operation. It's entirely annoying.
      - colejohnson66 10y ago
        Are you formatted as exFAT? Because it's my understanding that Windows will refuse to format an SDXC as anything but.
        rocky1138 10y ago
        I believe it was ext3 or ext4, but I'd have to look.
    - colejohnson66 10y ago
      We did have a few cameras that supported SDXC, but the majority didnt. It was easier to just use SDHC and not have to worry about what card works in what camera. Besides, 32 GB was plenty because we almost never shot in RAW (high schoolers aren't professionals); I think only me and 3 others knew about working with RAW. So to answer your question, space wasn't a premium, and because of the technical and human limitations of SDHC vs SDXC. I'm sure some of those cameras had firmware updates that would add SDXC support, but we didn't need it.
  - 10y ago
throwaway7767 10y ago
I'm excited about this to upgrade my old hard-drive iPod. Replacing the hard drive with an SD card should increase battery life considerably, and this is more than 8x larger than the hard drive it came with. If it dies, I lose no data since it's just a copy of my music library. And the speed doesn't matter since I only need to sync things once and from there it's just incremental additions. The reason I consider this is that there don't seem to be any decent music players with large capacity, as everyone moved their music playing to their phones.
- pronoiac 10y ago
  I've delved into flash on iPods, though I haven't taken the plunge yet. You might want to look at https://www.iflash.xyz https://www.iflash.xyz - there are adapters for multiple sd and micro sd cards, resulting in ridiculously large volumes. I think RAM limits the total number of songs supported, is the next bottleneck.
  - throwaway7767 10y ago
    I've seen those adapters, but I'd prefer to use only one SD card and a simple (read: less likely to have weird edge-cases) adapter. But I haven't taken the plunge myself either, mainly because high-capacity SD cards are still pretty expensive. I think RAM will be less of an issue for me since I run Rockbox[0] on the iPod. No need to keep the whole database in memory there. I like everything about the iPod except the software (pretty much the same as other apple products :) [0] http://www.rockbox.org/ http://www.rockbox.org/
imaginenore 10y ago
That's why many professional (and some prosumer) cameras have dual slots and allow you to write to both.
- overcast 10y ago
  Correct, and expecting most people to actually do that. Not happening.
- soylentcola 10y ago
  Yep. My several-years-old prosumer Nikon (D7000) has two slots and I can configure them either as mirrored for redundancy, overflow in case I misjudge how much storage I need, or I can use one for RAW and one for JPEG in case I need to show a preview before I get a chance to process the RAWs. Typically I just have it set as mirrored since I only shoot occasionally as a hobbyist and a corrupted card is the most likely "fail state" I'd encounter.
  - penguat 10y ago
    I use my second slot for JPG, reasoning that I can get good enough results out of a JPG if I desperately need it - and the cheaper, slower, bigger card I put in the backup slot will hold a couple of days' shooting as JPG and not slow the camera down.
rocky1138 10y ago
With HD video capture and other such uses, sure. But what about when we're capturing 8K video in a few years?

I'm looking forward to the stories of people actually filling these things, and then losing/corrupting them. I think that is waaaaay too large for the size/speed of SD.

gmazza 10y ago

Designed-for use-case for an SD card is a buffer where a photo/video camera will save footage sequentially, then you copy everything to your PC/laptop and reformat the card. When used as a generic storage with a complex write/delete/overwrite pattern, most card would start corrupting data fairly quickly.

overcast 10y ago
I understand its use case. Now imagine you're on location shooting, and you're fumbling around with tiny SD cards. It wouldn't be the first time I've dropped one. Even compact flash I try not to put TOO much work on one before I switch them over. To say that every consumer is going to use it only as a temporary medium, I think is overly optimistic.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  I think part of the appeal of high capacity cards is that you spend less time fumbling with cards. A 1TB card would probably last an entire day of shooting HD video. As an amateur photographer, I generally keep 2 extra SD cards on hand but they're backups and not used. I don't think I've ever filled up the 64GB card that I shoot with and at the end of the day I move off what was shot. If I'm shooting on vacation I'll generally leave a copy of the images on the card so that I have 2 copies floating around but I've yet to fill up the card. This card probably isn't targeting the consumer market. I think smartphone cameras have cannibalized much of the Point-and-Shoot camera and PVR market. That being said, I think most consumers purchase one SD card when they buy their camera and it's the only card that camera ever sees.
- eropple 10y ago
  I get what you're saying, and it is a concern, but there is a decent argument (to me, anyway) that with 1TB you probably won't be taking the card out to be fumbling with it in the first place. Even with on-location shooting, "I filled up a 1TB card, I need to archive it" is probably a good reason for a lunch break.
  - overcast 10y ago
    No one in their right mind would fill a 1TB card before swapping. That's an insane amount of potential lost. I could see it as a secondary backup disk in DSLR about it.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      Nobody in their right mind would have thousands of photos with no backup, but most people never backup anything.
      - overcast 10y ago
        So what's your argument here, that you agree with me?
        vidarh 10y ago
        He is saying that people will fill a 1TB card before swapping exactly the same way that people often leave thousands of photos floating around without backup.
    - eropple 10y ago
      If you're recording 4K video, a terabyte is about two hours of recording time. Plenty of folks will fill that before swapping.
colejohnson66 10y ago
Not that you're wrong, but [citation needed]. Mainly because you use a microSD card to boot the Raspberry Pi. Also, in my Yearbook class in high school, we almost never formatted(?) our cards. Granted, they were only 32 GB or less to avoid SDXC, but still.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  Why were you avoiding SDXC? Was it a technical deficiency in SDXC or limitation in your hhardware?
  - rocky1138 10y ago
    I'm not the parent, but SDXC on my Raspberry Pi causes kernel panics after ~6 hours of operation. It's entirely annoying.
    - colejohnson66 10y ago
      Are you formatted as exFAT? Because it's my understanding that Windows will refuse to format an SDXC as anything but.
      - rocky1138 10y ago
        I believe it was ext3 or ext4, but I'd have to look.
  - colejohnson66 10y ago
    We did have a few cameras that supported SDXC, but the majority didnt. It was easier to just use SDHC and not have to worry about what card works in what camera. Besides, 32 GB was plenty because we almost never shot in RAW (high schoolers aren't professionals); I think only me and 3 others knew about working with RAW. So to answer your question, space wasn't a premium, and because of the technical and human limitations of SDHC vs SDXC. I'm sure some of those cameras had firmware updates that would add SDXC support, but we didn't need it.
- 10y ago

throwaway7767 10y ago

I'm excited about this to upgrade my old hard-drive iPod. Replacing the hard drive with an SD card should increase battery life considerably, and this is more than 8x larger than the hard drive it came with. If it dies, I lose no data since it's just a copy of my music library. And the speed doesn't matter since I only need to sync things once and from there it's just incremental additions. The reason I consider this is that there don't seem to be any decent music players with large capacity, as everyone moved their music playing to their phones.

pronoiac 10y ago
I've delved into flash on iPods, though I haven't taken the plunge yet. You might want to look at https://www.iflash.xyz https://www.iflash.xyz - there are adapters for multiple sd and micro sd cards, resulting in ridiculously large volumes. I think RAM limits the total number of songs supported, is the next bottleneck.
- throwaway7767 10y ago
  I've seen those adapters, but I'd prefer to use only one SD card and a simple (read: less likely to have weird edge-cases) adapter. But I haven't taken the plunge myself either, mainly because high-capacity SD cards are still pretty expensive. I think RAM will be less of an issue for me since I run Rockbox[0] on the iPod. No need to keep the whole database in memory there. I like everything about the iPod except the software (pretty much the same as other apple products :) [0] http://www.rockbox.org/ http://www.rockbox.org/

imaginenore 10y ago

That's why many professional (and some prosumer) cameras have dual slots and allow you to write to both.

overcast 10y ago
Correct, and expecting most people to actually do that. Not happening.
soylentcola 10y ago
Yep. My several-years-old prosumer Nikon (D7000) has two slots and I can configure them either as mirrored for redundancy, overflow in case I misjudge how much storage I need, or I can use one for RAW and one for JPEG in case I need to show a preview before I get a chance to process the RAWs. Typically I just have it set as mirrored since I only shoot occasionally as a hobbyist and a corrupted card is the most likely "fail state" I'd encounter.
- penguat 10y ago
  I use my second slot for JPG, reasoning that I can get good enough results out of a JPG if I desperately need it - and the cheaper, slower, bigger card I put in the backup slot will hold a couple of days' shooting as JPG and not slow the camera down.

rocky1138 10y ago

With HD video capture and other such uses, sure. But what about when we're capturing 8K video in a few years?