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Last time I used julia was in Juno, the loading of package was really slow, is this problem solved now? It once gave me a lot of hope...but the result was a lit

by qd6pwu4 10y ago

Last time I used julia was in Juno, the loading of package was really slow, is this problem solved now? It once gave me a lot of hope...but the result was a little bit disappointing given that it claims so much. It has macro, if only it has lisp syntax...

sundarurfriend 10y ago
> the loading of package was really slow Was this on a Unix or on Windows? This has been my experience too on Windows, both the initial startup of Julia and the loading of packages was pretty slow (this was in 0.4.2 I believe). > It has macro, if only it has lisp syntax... Honestly, it's a language whose audience is at least 50% non-professional-programmers (scientists, engineers, statisticians), so with a lisp-y syntax it would probably have died a sputtering death. There's a lot of other things to love about the language though, whether superficial (being able to say `2y + 3` or `if a ≠ b && e ∈ S` if you wanted to), practical (pretty good FFIs to C, C++, Python, MATLAB and R already, decent-sized and quickly growing package repo), theoretical (mutliple dispatch, the type system).
- qd6pwu4 10y ago
  > Was this on Unix or on Windows? It was on Mac OS. > Honestly... Yes, the language has quite a few lovely features, that's why it makes me both love and hate it...so I chose to be away for a while and see how it develops in the future.
- stonemetal 10y ago
  To me it seems like it is professional programmers who are stodgy about their syntax. Non pros aren't as fussy when presented with something non standard because they haven't been married to the standard for 20 years.
  - eggy 10y ago
    I like to do math in C, J, Forth or Scheme which all have different syntax and a combination of prefix, postfix and infix. I would like a Lisp syntax too, and you can go into Lisp in Julia, since initially it used femtolisp written by Jeff Bezanson (one of the creators of Julia). I am not sure how much functionality is available from the Lisp prompt in the console. There's also a Lisp syntax package for it IIRC. I am waiting for it to stabilize more, and then I'll revisit it. I like now that I have the choice of zero-indexing, since I am used to that from mathematics, C, and J, although APL gives a switch to choose between 0 or 1 indexing.
- joelhoffman 10y ago
  >with a lisp-y syntax it would probably have died a sputtering death Tell that to 30 years of Autocad users.

by qd6pwu4 10y ago

sundarurfriend 10y ago

> the loading of package was really slow Was this on a Unix or on Windows? This has been my experience too on Windows, both the initial startup of Julia and the loading of packages was pretty slow (this was in 0.4.2 I believe). > It has macro, if only it has lisp syntax... Honestly, it's a language whose audience is at least 50% non-professional-programmers (scientists, engineers, statisticians), so with a lisp-y syntax it would probably have died a sputtering death. There's a lot of other things to love about the language though, whether superficial (being able to say `2y + 3` or `if a ≠ b && e ∈ S` if you wanted to), practical (pretty good FFIs to C, C++, Python, MATLAB and R already, decent-sized and quickly growing package repo), theoretical (mutliple dispatch, the type system).

qd6pwu4 10y ago
> Was this on Unix or on Windows? It was on Mac OS. > Honestly... Yes, the language has quite a few lovely features, that's why it makes me both love and hate it...so I chose to be away for a while and see how it develops in the future.
stonemetal 10y ago
To me it seems like it is professional programmers who are stodgy about their syntax. Non pros aren't as fussy when presented with something non standard because they haven't been married to the standard for 20 years.
- eggy 10y ago
  I like to do math in C, J, Forth or Scheme which all have different syntax and a combination of prefix, postfix and infix. I would like a Lisp syntax too, and you can go into Lisp in Julia, since initially it used femtolisp written by Jeff Bezanson (one of the creators of Julia). I am not sure how much functionality is available from the Lisp prompt in the console. There's also a Lisp syntax package for it IIRC. I am waiting for it to stabilize more, and then I'll revisit it. I like now that I have the choice of zero-indexing, since I am used to that from mathematics, C, and J, although APL gives a switch to choose between 0 or 1 indexing.
joelhoffman 10y ago
>with a lisp-y syntax it would probably have died a sputtering death Tell that to 30 years of Autocad users.