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Fixing a broken, oft-abused system is contemptible now?

by douche 10y ago

bcg1 10y ago
I think the H1B program is terribly flawed and certainly abused. But Trump is not talking about reforming it, he only talks about in the context of "foreigners stealing our jobs" (paraphrase), which I find quite contemptible. And without a meaningful plan to replace it would close an avenue for people to legally immigrate to the US, which makes it seem like he might have a problem with legal immigrants.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  Why is "foreigners stealing our jobs" contemptible? Assuming H1B is abused (I understand this can be in dispute), why should a candidate for a country not want to help its own citizens?
throwaway2016b 10y ago
I think this is a big part of why the SV powerhouses are mobilizing against Trump. They rally the troops with hyperbole and accusations of racism and sexism, but in private they're afraid of losing their H1B wage slaves and tax havens.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Some of that I suppose. But also, he's an evil man. Doesn't take a conspiracy theory to want to see him defeated.
  - throwaway2016b 10y ago
    Hillary is far, far more deserving of that label than Trump. To campaign and donate millions of dollars on her behalf requires ignorance, a seriously twisted moral compass, or some financial and political incentives that you don't want to talk about.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      She's spent her life struggling to help children and single parents. Donations fund her charity that has helped millions worldwide. To twist that into something bad is just more of the political smokescreen that plagues any woman in public office.
      - stonetear 10y ago
        Bullshit. She has spent her life advancing her political career. Her stances on key topics have changed more times than i can count. As for "women in public office", most didnt get there by being married to the President.
      - jimmywanger 10y ago
        You're saying this is a sexist thing? She was linked to Whitewater, was that because she was a woman? She constantly defended Bill Clinton's sexual indiscretions. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435941/hillary-clinton-enabled-bill-clintons-abuse-women-her-own-standards http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435941/hillary-clinton.... She moved to New York just so she could run for senator. She and Bill also spent 3 million dollars on her daughter's wedding. Where did she come up with that money, considering that a President's salary is in the mid six figures? Oh that's right, she (and Bill) get quarter million dollar speaking fees at Goldman Sachs. What part of all that would not be reprehensible if she were a man, and if she were a man, wouldn't this all be dug up and thrown into his/her face if you were running for president? How is pointing out moral turpitude a "political smokescreen that plagues every woman in public office"?
        JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Great list: Like any number of men get away with and no comment. None of that is reprehensible; that is all business as usual. A good fraction of our Senators are 'carpet baggers', not been brought up before. Loyalty to a spouse is lauded if its a man being loyal. #2 speaking fees is George Bush but nobody brought him up. And 'linked to' is another smokescreen catchphrase, slings mud without having to show any real problem.

Fixing a broken, oft-abused system is contemptible now?

by douche 10y ago

Fixing a broken, oft-abused system is contemptible now?

bcg1 10y ago

I think the H1B program is terribly flawed and certainly abused. But Trump is not talking about reforming it, he only talks about in the context of "foreigners stealing our jobs" (paraphrase), which I find quite contemptible. And without a meaningful plan to replace it would close an avenue for people to legally immigrate to the US, which makes it seem like he might have a problem with legal immigrants.

MichaelGG 10y ago
Why is "foreigners stealing our jobs" contemptible? Assuming H1B is abused (I understand this can be in dispute), why should a candidate for a country not want to help its own citizens?

throwaway2016b 10y ago

I think this is a big part of why the SV powerhouses are mobilizing against Trump. They rally the troops with hyperbole and accusations of racism and sexism, but in private they're afraid of losing their H1B wage slaves and tax havens.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Some of that I suppose. But also, he's an evil man. Doesn't take a conspiracy theory to want to see him defeated.
- throwaway2016b 10y ago
  Hillary is far, far more deserving of that label than Trump. To campaign and donate millions of dollars on her behalf requires ignorance, a seriously twisted moral compass, or some financial and political incentives that you don't want to talk about.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    She's spent her life struggling to help children and single parents. Donations fund her charity that has helped millions worldwide. To twist that into something bad is just more of the political smokescreen that plagues any woman in public office.
    - stonetear 10y ago
      Bullshit. She has spent her life advancing her political career. Her stances on key topics have changed more times than i can count. As for "women in public office", most didnt get there by being married to the President.
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      You're saying this is a sexist thing? She was linked to Whitewater, was that because she was a woman? She constantly defended Bill Clinton's sexual indiscretions. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435941/hillary-clinton-enabled-bill-clintons-abuse-women-her-own-standards http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435941/hillary-clinton.... She moved to New York just so she could run for senator. She and Bill also spent 3 million dollars on her daughter's wedding. Where did she come up with that money, considering that a President's salary is in the mid six figures? Oh that's right, she (and Bill) get quarter million dollar speaking fees at Goldman Sachs. What part of all that would not be reprehensible if she were a man, and if she were a man, wouldn't this all be dug up and thrown into his/her face if you were running for president? How is pointing out moral turpitude a "political smokescreen that plagues every woman in public office"?
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Great list: Like any number of men get away with and no comment. None of that is reprehensible; that is all business as usual. A good fraction of our Senators are 'carpet baggers', not been brought up before. Loyalty to a spouse is lauded if its a man being loyal. #2 speaking fees is George Bush but nobody brought him up. And 'linked to' is another smokescreen catchphrase, slings mud without having to show any real problem.