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>For starters, you completely glossed over the Holocaust Actually, I'm pretty sure I didn't... But I do concede your point. I oversimplified to the point of

>For starters, you completely glossed over the Holocaust Actually, I'm pretty sure I didn't... But I do concede your point. I oversimplified to the point of misrepresentation. Please accept my apology and my assurances that this was accidental. Roma do indeed have a bone to pick with several peoples in Europe. Still, I have to wonder what your underlying point is. Are you claiming that they're sociologically comparable to Black Americans? Black Americans are by-and-large law-abiding, hard-working, and desire nothing more to become an integral part of American society. They're angry precisely because they feel marginalized. Roma aren't particularly angry. They want to be marginal, as evidenced by the fact that they behave the same way even with peoples that have not been so horrific to them, so it can't be that... Surely you aren't claiming that this justifies their all-but-systematic prostituting of their women, exploitation of their children, larceny, fraud and violence... Your point is taken, but my points still stand.

openasocket 10y ago
> Actually, I'm pretty sure I didn't... The only line from your post that even begins to reference the Holocaust is "Roma do not (except, perhaps, with Germany, but you'll note that they behave the same way everywhere... even in Romania!)". In my book, that's glossing over. > Are you claiming that they're sociologically comparable to Black Americans? No, African Americans are a pretty different case. > I have to wonder what your point is. > Surely you aren't claiming that this justifies their all-but-systematic prostituting of their women, exploitation of their children, larceny, fraud and violence... I just wanted to correct what I thought was a gross oversight of your writing, which doesn't mention the long history of persecution of Roma that continues into this century. That's important context if you want to talk about Roma culture. > Black Americans are by-and-large law-abiding, hard-working I agree, but I'm curious what you mean when you say "by-and-large". You used the same phrase to say that the Roma have an issue with criminality. What do you mean, formally, by "by-and-large"? When you say "People X are by-and-large Y" do you mean that more than 50% of X are Y? Do you mean being X is positively correlated with being Y? Do you control for other factors, such as Z? I'd just like to see a little more pedantry in this thread, a few more firm statistics.

openasocket 10y ago

> Actually, I'm pretty sure I didn't... The only line from your post that even begins to reference the Holocaust is "Roma do not (except, perhaps, with Germany, but you'll note that they behave the same way everywhere... even in Romania!)". In my book, that's glossing over. > Are you claiming that they're sociologically comparable to Black Americans? No, African Americans are a pretty different case. > I have to wonder what your point is. > Surely you aren't claiming that this justifies their all-but-systematic prostituting of their women, exploitation of their children, larceny, fraud and violence... I just wanted to correct what I thought was a gross oversight of your writing, which doesn't mention the long history of persecution of Roma that continues into this century. That's important context if you want to talk about Roma culture. > Black Americans are by-and-large law-abiding, hard-working I agree, but I'm curious what you mean when you say "by-and-large". You used the same phrase to say that the Roma have an issue with criminality. What do you mean, formally, by "by-and-large"? When you say "People X are by-and-large Y" do you mean that more than 50% of X are Y? Do you mean being X is positively correlated with being Y? Do you control for other factors, such as Z? I'd just like to see a little more pedantry in this thread, a few more firm statistics.