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> The removal of private email addresses should be left to the State Department who was in charge of releasing those emails. Only for her work email account.

> The removal of private email addresses should be left to the State Department who was in charge of releasing those emails. Only for her work email account. This is her personal email account that they requested to release, but it isn't under their control. Employers aren't supposed to be able to control one's private email account.

generj 10y ago
Yeah, a private email account which was used extensively for official government business. With no work email account ever setup. It's a matter of law that any and all work related emails on a personal email address are to be handed over for future FOIA requests, etc. upon leaving office. If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company.
- mozumder 10y ago
  > If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company. But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded. Personal email addresses exist. Companies have to deal with that fact.
  - generj 10y ago
    Oh, yes they could. The easiest route would simply be to refuse me referrals. If I had a golden parachute deal, it would be invalidated by such an action. Any vested stocks I had would be in jeopardy. They can try to blackball me. They can cut off insurance benefits unexpectedly. And all that before lawyers get involved... If you do work on a personal email, your employer may later demand access to those emails. So don't do it.
  - JumpCrisscross 10y ago
    > But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded I work in securities. My work emails must be archived. If I send work email from my personal email (a) that is potentially illegal and (b) I must promptly turn them over to my archives. If I refuse b, I face civil and potentially criminal censure. Blows me away how finance has stricter controls than the people conducting bombing raids.
    - snowwrestler 10y ago
      This is not a relevant analogy because it's not under dispute that Clinton used her email address for personal conversations, and there is nothing in the Reddit post or the Hill news story that indicates whether we're talking about personal or official business emails. If your employer tried to force Gmail to turn over to them all your emails with your spouse and friends, no matter the subject or content, you and Google would fight it. And rightly so. The House GOP members of the Benghazi committee are trying their hardest to get their hands on Clinton's personal emails, to dig for embarrassing messages to release. They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. And they have openly admitted that the entire purpose of the committee is to undercut her presidential campaign.
      - ars 10y ago
        > They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. No, they have the emails she claims are official. Big difference. And she has zero credibility here. Negative credibility even, if she claims they have all the official emails you can be 100% sure they do not.
        mozumder 10y ago
        And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them. That would help the Republicans gain back some credibility if they did. Right now everyone considers this a colossal waste of time, exemplary of Republican waste. Republicans are quickly finding that there are limits to their political powers. The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails.
        ars 10y ago
        > And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them. How would that help? She deleted them. > The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails. No, they need to tell the House that Hillary should be indited, that she is not above the rules.
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danso 10y ago
Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server. There are various different reasons why (and when) her email was requested by investigators. If I'm not mistaken, the existence of Clinton's private server was alluded to when Guccifer 1.0 hacked Sidney Blumenthal's emails, which included memos to her private address: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker-distributes-memos-784091 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker... In an unrelated tangent, when the Secretary of State's original search found few emails involving Clinton's ostensible state.gov address, a Tumblr meme (which was in support of Clinton) caught someone's eye who then inquired how Clinton was sending messages if they weren't showing up on her state.gov account: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/hillary-clinton-emails-probe-blackberry-224154 http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/hillar...
- mozumder 10y ago
  > Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server. No, it didn't. It's still her private email account. They can request nicely to see them, but they can't forcibly see them without a warrant.
  - danso 10y ago
    Maybe you should tell the State Department that: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0801b24d47274f0fac60beedc5f2e6f8/clinton-failed-hand-over-key-email-state-department http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0801b24d47274f0fac60beedc5f2e... ^ Former Secretary Hillary Clinton failed to turn over a copy of a key message involving problems caused by her use of a private homebrew email server, the State Department confirmed Thursday...The email was not among the tens of thousands of emails Clinton turned over to the agency in response to public records lawsuits seeking copies of her official correspondence. Abedin, who also used a private account on Clinton's server, provided a copy from her own inbox after the State Department asked her to return any work-related emails. The State Department did not get a warrant before asking Clinton and her staff to turn over emails that went through Clinton's server.

generj 10y ago

Yeah, a private email account which was used extensively for official government business. With no work email account ever setup. It's a matter of law that any and all work related emails on a personal email address are to be handed over for future FOIA requests, etc. upon leaving office. If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company.

mozumder 10y ago
> If I used my personal email address for all communication with my companies clients for work, they'd demand all of those emails when I left the company. But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded. Personal email addresses exist. Companies have to deal with that fact.
- generj 10y ago
  Oh, yes they could. The easiest route would simply be to refuse me referrals. If I had a golden parachute deal, it would be invalidated by such an action. Any vested stocks I had would be in jeopardy. They can try to blackball me. They can cut off insurance benefits unexpectedly. And all that before lawyers get involved... If you do work on a personal email, your employer may later demand access to those emails. So don't do it.
- JumpCrisscross 10y ago
  > But they wouldn't be able to get them, no matter how hard they demanded I work in securities. My work emails must be archived. If I send work email from my personal email (a) that is potentially illegal and (b) I must promptly turn them over to my archives. If I refuse b, I face civil and potentially criminal censure. Blows me away how finance has stricter controls than the people conducting bombing raids.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    This is not a relevant analogy because it's not under dispute that Clinton used her email address for personal conversations, and there is nothing in the Reddit post or the Hill news story that indicates whether we're talking about personal or official business emails. If your employer tried to force Gmail to turn over to them all your emails with your spouse and friends, no matter the subject or content, you and Google would fight it. And rightly so. The House GOP members of the Benghazi committee are trying their hardest to get their hands on Clinton's personal emails, to dig for embarrassing messages to release. They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. And they have openly admitted that the entire purpose of the committee is to undercut her presidential campaign.
    - ars 10y ago
      > They already have her official business emails; they have had them for years. No, they have the emails she claims are official. Big difference. And she has zero credibility here. Negative credibility even, if she claims they have all the official emails you can be 100% sure they do not.
      - mozumder 10y ago
        And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them. That would help the Republicans gain back some credibility if they did. Right now everyone considers this a colossal waste of time, exemplary of Republican waste. Republicans are quickly finding that there are limits to their political powers. The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails.
        ars 10y ago
        > And if they want more, they can always get a search warrant for them. How would that help? She deleted them. > The public needs to be forceful in telling the House to stop wasting government money on Hillary emails. No, they need to tell the House that Hillary should be indited, that she is not above the rules.
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danso 10y ago

Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server. There are various different reasons why (and when) her email was requested by investigators. If I'm not mistaken, the existence of Clinton's private server was alluded to when Guccifer 1.0 hacked Sidney Blumenthal's emails, which included memos to her private address: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker-distributes-memos-784091 http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker... In an unrelated tangent, when the Secretary of State's original search found few emails involving Clinton's ostensible state.gov address, a Tumblr meme (which was in support of Clinton) caught someone's eye who then inquired how Clinton was sending messages if they weren't showing up on her state.gov account: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/hillary-clinton-emails-probe-blackberry-224154 http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/hillar...

mozumder 10y ago
> Yep, but it became under their jurisdiction when it was discovered that she did government business via the private server. No, it didn't. It's still her private email account. They can request nicely to see them, but they can't forcibly see them without a warrant.
- danso 10y ago
  Maybe you should tell the State Department that: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0801b24d47274f0fac60beedc5f2e6f8/clinton-failed-hand-over-key-email-state-department http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0801b24d47274f0fac60beedc5f2e... ^ Former Secretary Hillary Clinton failed to turn over a copy of a key message involving problems caused by her use of a private homebrew email server, the State Department confirmed Thursday...The email was not among the tens of thousands of emails Clinton turned over to the agency in response to public records lawsuits seeking copies of her official correspondence. Abedin, who also used a private account on Clinton's server, provided a copy from her own inbox after the State Department asked her to return any work-related emails. The State Department did not get a warrant before asking Clinton and her staff to turn over emails that went through Clinton's server.